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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:07 PM
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(AT&T) Mark Klein On Olbermann
 
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The Whistleblower VS. The Spies
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:13 PM
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1. It's pretty unreal. 1984, indeed! nt
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:57 PM
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4. Don't forget the AT&T in Vegas too plus the super software they have to correlate s"six degrees of
quilt by association" they "borrowed from a wiz kid who worked in one of the casinos. With this software, as I've stated before and as is seen in Frontline's "Spying on the Home Front" they can not only collect all your data but correlate all the info to find any associations YOU or I or ANYONE may have with any person they may suspect is an "enemy combatant" or a "suspect."

Let's say for example your credit card was used by you in a city where "bad gut X" was on "date Y" and you both happen to have the same dentist - well that may be too close an association. And it would show up with this software. Six degrees of separation. This stuff is real. It has been used. It has been alluded to in conversations by administration officials. This is the other proverbial "dirty secret" shoe that's about to fall for this administration.

We cannot let companies get away without the threat of being sued and prosecuted when they have clearly broken the laws. They know they broke the law or they would not be asking for the retroactive insulation from the law. They knew it then. If any company knows the importance of information and the power of their own technology it's AT&T and the other communication companies. They know this is an information economy. They make their money from it. It's their life's blood. They betrayed the most fundamental, the singular business, social contract they had with us. We asked them to do one thing. Carry our information securely from one place to another. They did not do this. The information was given up without so much as a "say may I."

They did not follow through with their side of the contract, yet the bill from AT&T or which ever communication company you use keeps coming and we keep paying. They are in breech of contract and deserve to be sued. They are possibly criminally responsible and deserve to be investigated.

If we do not have this weapon to use against them, when the Bush era is over we will have lost an important prosecutor's and investigative tool which could allow us to pursue justice after this group has left the white house.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:18 AM
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12. Ragged arrays, anyone?
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:28 PM
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2. Wonder if Vote Totals go through those same lines....
In my state, voting totals go through phone lines to a central tabulator....
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:21 AM
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8. interesting line of thought there. not sure what it would mean one way or the other
but ...
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:39 AM
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11. When you have to power to spy on the other party
does voting even matter? You have a valid question. I trust no one in the bush administration.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:21 PM
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3. I'm grateful this courageous man was heard and not shuffled off into oblivion.
And kudos to Keith and other news sources who are bringing his story to the public.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:08 AM
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6. Yes!
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:58 AM
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5. When will congress quit stalling. They know the Telecoms broke the law even before 9/11
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:00 PM
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15. Greg Palast's Khan Job article mentions a pre-9/11 policy shift at NSA
and I'm wondering if this too began, as you say, even before 9-11-01. Do you have any info on that possibility ?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:17 AM
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7. K&R
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:50 AM
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9. I had posted on this in May of 2006.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:48 AM
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10. I put it on wiki
I might have done it wrong, but when you search 'room 641A' on google, you go to the wikipedia page; I put this video on it so others may see it... this is, of course, very damning of the whole DAMN mess in this govt... A new level of rage is building :mad:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:47 AM
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13. K & R. My informant says they route it ALL overseas to avoid US law!
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 10:48 AM by L. Coyote
ALL COMMUNICATIONS are moved offshore where no law applies restricting reading/listening to anything and everything.

This is how a junta stays in power.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:03 PM
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16. Probably to the Bahamas-based Global Information Group
Bahamas Firm Screens Personal Data To Assess Risk
Operation Avoids U.S. Privacy Rules

By Robert O'Harrow Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36853-2004Oct15.html

"(Ben H.) Bell's new employer, the Bahamas-based Global Information Group Ltd., intends to amass large databases of international records and analyze them in the coming years for corporations, government agencies and other information services. One of the first customers is information giant LexisNexis Group, one of the main contractors on the government system that was known until recently as the second generation of the Computer Assisted Passenger Pre-screening Program, or CAPPS II. The program is now known as Secure Flight."
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:41 PM
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17. Yes, the Bahamas is high on the list of locations. It is a corporate US law haven too!
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:39 PM
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14. k&r
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:19 PM
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18. this man has courage
I applaud him for speaking out, to embolden others to speak out when they know something is wrong.

Bless him
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:17 PM
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19. The real TRUTH behind the Republican DECEIT on the FISA debate and the VETO threat.
In effect, this is a law requiring Bush to report his own crimes :rofl:

Why are Bush and the Rs really in a tizzy? Why the veto threat, and why is team-player Mukasey taking the fall for the veto idea.
Because the House Version passed today "Requires an Audit of the President’s Surveillance Program and Other Warrantless Surveillance Programs"

Don't fall for all the DECEIT, distractions, and diversions.
Don't fall for the ploy that ....

MORE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2294411
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