Michigan Governer Granholm: 'We're Mad as Hell...'

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January 14, 2008 - CNN WOLF BLITZER

because of Congresses incompetence regarding trade is just plain corrupt.

I want a new DNC committee.

Good for the Governor of Michigan to ball out the DNC leadership.

Why did Edwards and Obama pull out of a democratic process? Here give the votes to Hillary?

They were warned what would happen. They wanted the attention, and they wanted their candidate to score early on.

I think this whole thing is just a mess. Trying to move up the primary, in my opinion, was just ego driven! The powers that be claim that they are just trying to get more attention for Michigans woes??? We have the highest unemployment in the nation. Manufacturing jobs are FLOODING out of the region......and now we have no delegets at the convention...we have lost our say in things.

If I go and vote "uncommited" my vote is moot...so I may just vote republican and pick the biggest ass I would like to see the Democrats run against. I am soooo pissed!!!!!!!!!

can you do a write in for a candidate in the primary? It might be a way to be counted anyway. Call your governor and ask for it.

No I don't think it was ego driven to prevent your vote. They don't want to give you out of work Michigan liberals a voice.

Why do you think they have Iowa, NH, and SC first? They aren't the big states with power and population. DA!!

Your delegates won't be able to attend the DNC convention.

I'd take it to court since delegates participate in the party agenda and platform. Can't have all those "liberals" doing that in Michigan or vote stolen Florida. That's a lot of delegates not allowed a vote.

Are you going to fight for your right to vote in the primary and have a voice in the DNC convention?

Is everyone supposed to vote for Hillary? Election after election we ask for election reforms but neither party hears us. I'm sick to death of the manipulation to lose us elections not giving us the candidate we want.

The DNC is self destructive and after Michigan and Florida one has to wonder if they aren't Republicans to ruin our democracy and lose one election after another. They stopped the vote before it was even finished in the 2004 election. Oh the party members ruined it themselves...who exactly in the party leadership?

The party leadership who gave Bush the election twice before all the votes were counted let alone re-counted. The party who announced after the primaries they wanted amnesty (losing us seats in the Congress)? It wasn't even up for discussion or a vote. The party who didn't insist the Electoral College not allow a winner until the fraud and vote stealing was investigated? Not allow any House member to speak about the fraud in Florida, etc. No Senator speaking up? The party who has not taken any person to court for voting fraud? Jailed or fined anyone?

Remove them since they fail to represent us.

by the way Biden and Dodd also removed their names.... im sure you all know that.

...She has screwed up this state....now she supports a Corporate Republican...she's madder than Hell, I'm a laid off engineer from the auto industry now I'm pissed off at her. I think there are a lot of cross-over voters from the Repuk side that could go back again.

I still support Edwards however!!

sorry...

you needed a Magician. These economic trends are ravaging Ohio, Indiana , Kentucky, Wisconsin, upstate New York. Michigan is not alone. Nafta did this to Michigan , not Granholm. What I can't understand is why anyone would want to be governor of Michigan. Engler and the GOP legislature put into place their tax cuts and probusiness policies directly before Granholm. Did it make Michigan business friendly. Its Nafta and and the cost of healthcare that closes Midwest factories. Not Granholm.

But, please, make no mistake about how she really WAS a better choice than someone like Dick Devos. He's from my home town, and I know people who know him personally. My dad worked for amway for about 30 years, UNTIL the guy ran the company into the ground. Supposedly the elder Devos (Rick, I think) was a nice guy, and he certainly brought a lot of jobs to west Michigan. He also had a policy that anyone at the company - executive, R&D, janitor, factory worker, truck driver, etc. - could have a meeting with him - just walk up to his office and schedule it. Not only did that policy vanish when the son took over, the aptly named DIck, painted the factory buildings a new ugly color to differentiate them from the office buildings.

I don't know what to do about the shit Michigan economy (I've moved away now, but would like to go back), but Michigan Republicans would do even more harm than these shit Democrats we've got now.

You're saying you wish you voted for DeVos??? Puhleeeze. Granholm, with all her faults, still is not responsible for all of the problems we have. She inherited a mess from Engler. She's wrong about this current issue, sure. But DeVos?? C'mon now...

I'm with you on the Edwards support though. I voted for Kooch this morning and felt good about it.

(on edit) this is in response to post #4. I don't know why it ended up in this position

She keeps saying how Michigan was "hurting" because of the bad trade policies of the BUSH administration. What about the trade policies of the CLINTON administration... when was NAFTA, for example... who was it that renewed "most favored nation" status for China?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/03/china.trade/

Funny.

I have no sympathy for Michigan. Why should they be one of the ones that goes first... why not California, a state that dwarfs others in terms of population and diversity?

Why has Hillary left her name on the ballot when all the other major candidates removed theirs?

They were told what would happen if they moved the primary up... and they did it anyway.

So sad too bad.

they were screwed by the party leadership.

this was a bad idea? And if the leadership ignored the wishes of the rank and file, could they not now be removing said leadership?

I wish we lived in that utopia. Most people don't follow the legislative process on a daily basis - much less think they have to in order to make sure their right to vote is protected.

I'll pass on Granholm's advice to vote for triangulating Hillary and her wind sock politics.

The party needs to quit being stupid, and push congress to pass a federal law that makes primaries vote nationwide the same day the same way as the general election. If the candidates had just spent a month or more in every coffee shop in Alabama, were I am, I'd be embarrassed. The nominee has to be elected by the whole country, so why decide who that is a different way. Also this whole caucus thing doesn't make any sense. You cant change your mind or candidate for a second or third vote in a general election, so why do it this way now? No one really wants to fix anything, they just want to maneuver the flawed system to benefit themselves!

Sorry about the rant.

:hi:

for a new kid, you make alot of sense. Stick around and see if you can keep up with it.

dp

I just have all this pent up frustration. Thanks for the welcome.

I like a Rotating Regional type idea. For example, midwest states all go on same day. A week(or two?) later a different region and so on. The regions would have to be rotated each election for who goes first. I live in Washington state and we receive too little attention each presidential election and are usually too late to make a difference.

There is definitely room for improvement and after Michigan and others take their licks this time around maybe we can settle down to a better but unreformed schedule in 2012. It really cries out for reform though.

Same primary day in every state. Shorter primaries. More power to delegates and the party platform at the DNC Convention.

but couldn't care less about Kucinich?
I guess she's never heard his plans for the economy that would put motor city back in business.

This is a democracy is it not with "representative government"? Is it any where in the Constitution that a state can be denied it's election primary privileges if the national party objects? States control their own elections.

The Supreme Court abused this fact too when they voted to protect Bush but not Gore to stop elections in Florida (ignoring the state election laws of recounts, etc.).

If I were the other DNC candidates I would list myself as a Independent in the Florida and Michigan primary. The party leaderhip can be blamed but not the party members. The party members didn't get a vote on their decision to do anything.

Seems everyone today makes their own laws to get their own way (to lose or win). The DNC is shameful in their ability quest to lose or pick the winner.

I want delegates at the DNC convention from Michigan and Florida.

And every candidate listed on the state's ballot invited to all the state's debates. That'll fix that one too.

election screwed for us.

I didn't think she'd be so blatant about it---I think she just lost her re-election bid.

The state that I have lived in all my life is a huge mess.

She sits there with such a straight face while expounding on the merits of Hillary Clinton and the Michigan economy. Never even mentions Dennis Kucinich, who is on the ballot and is campaigning in Michigan. The candidate who is all about jobs and healthcare, the one who keeps talking about rebuilding America's manufaturing base.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this system is rigged. The DNC was scared a state like Michigan would vote for Dennis and didn't want to take the chance that he could win so many delegates.

Ok, now that is just too much.

for Hillary.

Hillary and Bill are both NAFTA supporters. Bill Daley (Mayor of Chicago's brother and Gore campaign manager) helped Clinton write it. None will admit NAFTA has des toyed us (and the other trade agreements which are for Americas Union).

NAFTA is a failure and very dangerous since we have no vote in our future. President Bush meets with heads of state either bribing them or threatening them in our name (yes impeachment is long past due). Trade is Congress' duty for the citizens.

Secret meetings behind closed doors by the elite groups such as the G8, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, etc. are undemocratic. They don't represent us but make policy which does for those in power...or seeking office in the US. I might even say...treasonous and arrogant. Certainly they are illegal under the Constitution and present law regarding a citizen taking representation without permission of the people with a foreign government. Kissinger a big mucky, muck in these groups should have gone to jail a long time ago. X-government advisors\members flock to the groups seeking a way back to power.

I voted for Bill Clinton both times and supported Hillary for Senate. It was a "better choice" but I'm sick of Dems being globalists. It violates our democracy and ability to protect ourselves. They are taking us down a dark and dangerous path.

The Michigan leadership moved their primary up even when the national organization *told them* they would lose their delegates if they did so. Why are they surprised when it happens?

Did they really expect capitulation?

Primaries must be spread out to allow a full slate of candidates to discuss their ideas and bring their delegates to the convention.

I guess we could just give up all pretense have all the primaries on January 1st at 12:01am instead!

should look at the fact that states control their own election regardless of what party.