Obama: GOP the party of ideas for the last 10-15 years

Run time: 00:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbaszmcpesc   Posted on YouTube: January 17, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: January 18, 2008 By DU Member: jackson_dem Views on DU: 2113

 
This is ironic. Reagan used to say the rethugs were the party of ideas and ran a Democrat-bashing, ideological campaign in 1980.

Clinton bad, no vision or direction-Raygun good, great communicator, great "trajectory"...straight to hell for the less fortunate.

It would have been smart for this young man to point this out.

Edit to include example. Once when I was about eight and i was playing with my best friend and my sister in my friends basement we decided to put my friend in the dryer for a ride. It was an idea. turned out her mother did not think it was such a great idea and thus did not turn out well for us either. See simple. Even Reagan could understand.

REALLY? He's not as INVESTED in them? The battle for CIVIL RIGHTS? FOR PEACE? He very specifically says he is NOT anti war like people in the 60's were. He says that Vietnam is not in his frame of reference, that he doesn't represent an anti war "70's LOVE-IN" kind of approach." He TOTALLY denigrates the 60's and 70's and anyone who grew up then as sort of OUTDATED and backwards. He says it's now a GENERATIONAL thing, as if young people now don't relate to us, people, (PARENTS!), who grew up then, and as if those eras were sort of silly or repugnant somehow. He might as well have said he hated hippies. It is BAD and disheartening to me.

Watch the whole thing. When he starts talking about the 60's it is very disappointing. He talks about 'Baby Boomers' as if we're old and irrelevant.

If it wasn't for us, there would be no him.

He is a first generation African American. Black Americans are African Americans who are descendants of slaves. My youngest son will be 22 on Sunday. He understands and can identify with our civil rights leaders and supporters from the 60s and the struggles my parents and I had to endure. By promoting Regan, Obama has answered the question, "Is he Black enough?" The answer is no. Being Black is more than skin color.

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about American history. What does he mean by "the excesses of the '60s and '70s"? The Civil Rights Movement? The Anti-War movement? The War on Poverty?

Obama's ignorance about the history of our nation is just scary. How did he get this far on these kinds of ideas?

We need a real Democrat in the White House, not a Goldwater girl or a Reagan boy. We need John Edwards.

all my growing negative feelings about him.

We do not need this now!

And, why, may I ask, does "generational" or "cultural" change SUPPLANT actually policy change??????? It seems to me that it's the easy way to run, by appealing to that sort of change, (which I think is DIVISIVE, not uniting) rather than being gutsy and really talking policy without all the layers of bullshit!

THE FAILURE TO ADDRESS THE ENERGY CRISIS (( he REMOVED the Solar Panels, Carter had installed @ the White House ))

HIS & GOP's WAR ON DRUGS-JUST SAY NO CAMPAIGN (( they forced the Democrats to take a STRONGER position if they didn't they were "Soft on Drugs":shrug: whatever THAT MEANS))

HARSHER DRUG LAWS AND SENTENCING

HIS & GOP's FAILURES ABOUT THE HIV/AIDS CRISIS

HIS & GOP's IDEA TO FORCE PATIENTS OUT ON THE STREET

HIS & GOP's PLAN TO DROWN OUR GOVERNMENT IN THE BATHTUB.





I think Obama should reconsider "the party of ideas" meme, because their ideas were NOT in the best interest of our country.

Raygun and his minions are more like "THE PARTY OF BAD IDEAS"

because I am more insulted by this, than his reference to the dead president. The party of IDEAS???? BAD ONES, Barack! Why couldn't you say so, instead you appear to be glorifying Reagan era, and then the GOP since 1993... which, is actually ALL of the past 28 years - how nice!

barf...

thank YOU jackson_dem, for making this vid. I am going all around the net putting comments for John's fund raising day, and on youtube vids. I hope he raises millions today!

does he KNOW he's a democrat???

Obama seems to get more coverage than any other candidate. Even Matthews spouts off about his love for Obama daily. Seems kinda strange to me that a young Obama who has dabbled so little in real politics is ready to run America. Which brings me to my recent mind set:that Repugs want him in the oval office to run this country in true conservative fashion, business as usual. If he intends to run everything like Reagan did then we are done for.

Especially one who is eager to compromise with them!

Right, they were the party of NAZI ideas for the last 10-15 years.

They came up with NOTHING original...nothing that other tyrants and authoritarian pricks haven't been spewing for the last 10,000 years.

This is exactly what they want, business as usual. The DLC is open for business.

He certainly isn't going to win democrats this way and he is just providing the Clinton camp ammunition.

Yes they did, and they were. It turns out they were wrong to challenge the conventional wisdom. Obama doesn't say they were right to do so, in fact, he says "Its fair to say they were the party of ideas, in that they were challenging conventional wisdom". And if they weren't the party responsible for the last 20 or so years worth of horrible ideas, exactly why should I vote against them? Why are you all Democrats if the last 15 to 20 years worth of ideas that the republicans have advanced on us aren't total shit?

Obama knows his shit. He isn't stupid, nor is he a traitor to the Democrats.

What, specifically, are the ideas that the Republican's proposed that challenged conventional wisdom?

1) That there should be a middle class
2) That the constitution should be respected
3) That wars should be fought only in situations requiring defensive action
4) That governing is best done at the consent of the people
5) That the welfare of ones political party should be subordinate to that of ones country.

I could go on...

The republican ideas spoken of are those that go against conventional wisdoms listed above. The Iraq war, privitization of social security, criminalization of abortion, the use of the government as an arm of the republican party... these are all republican ideas of the last 1 - 2 decades.

since Herbert Hoover.

Is Obama really a Democrat?

:wtf:

This is VERY discouraging.

And that's the real trouble with Obama's comments on Reagan.

That he and so many others -- in or out of the DLC, but all part of the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy -- have bought into so much of the Fractured (Neo)Fascist Fairy Tale that (non-sociopathic) Republicans literally need to sleep through the night -- and that "Ofishyl Washington" accepts in lieu of reality (and as an easy alternative to nasty chores like thinking and journalism and responsibility).

The Grand Old Party may once have had ideas, but I've never seen one (and I'm old enough to have voted against Reagan twice).

All they've had in my lifetime has been orchestrated whining -- shielded by increasing amounts of divisive/accusatory rhetoric (now morphing into political abuse of the law), solely-self-interested (ideologic/corporate) funding (often looted from the treasury), cutting edge "political stagecraft" (now centralized at Fauxnewz), and outright deception/criminality (including election theft).

Notions like "big government is the problem" and "family values is the answer (to something)" are complaints, not ideas. It's like the Emperor saying to Mozart that the piece has "too many notes." Try to take their "ideas" anywhere beyond that and you get some version of the Fedex ad where the guy who can't find China reflexively tears the map down off the wall.

Disclaimer: This is not to say that Clinton(s) is/are any less deluded or that Edwards is much less (though he sounds a bit less lately). In fact, Hillary's inclusion of "corporations that employ" among her list of "real Americans" that legitimately lobby their gov't revealed a similarly troubling attitude. They're all still (sadly) raging impeachophobes.

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I'm sorry but that's seems to be the ticket he should be running on. I can't help it, he is starting to remind me of Joe Lieberman, more and more each day. Bashing his own party, he's a disgrace.

to run on any ticket. Simple as that.

Here let me help you (pay attention to entry 4):

Main Entry: idea
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, from Greek, from idein to see — more at wit
Date: 14th century
1 a: a transcendent entity that is a real pattern of which existing things are imperfect representations b: a standard of perfection : ideal c: a plan for action : design
2archaic : a visible representation of a conception : a replica of a pattern
3 aobsolete : an image recalled by memory b: an indefinite or unformed conception c: an entity (as a thought, concept, sensation, or image) actually or potentially present to consciousness
4: a formulated thought or opinion
5: whatever is known or supposed about something <a child's idea of time>
6: the central meaning or chief end of a particular action or situation
7Christian Science : an image in Mind

(Merriam Webster, http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/idea)

You are trying to tell me that a complaint isn't an opinion?

People on this forum are trying to to spin this statement like there is no such thing as a bad idea.

I'm not sure what Obama was smoking, but I sure hope it was the last of the bag. I don't even want to hear an explanation of what he was thinking. reagan was one of the worst "silent explosions" to hit this culture in America, and we'll be paying the price for the rest of time.

Deregulation, escallation of military spending and WTO and NAFTA did more to screw the middle class in this country than any other policy before or after. I realize NAFTA was ratified during Clinton's time, but the process was begun long before the end.

but after this there is no way he would get my vote. I hope Edwards & Clinton bring all of this out. The Dem voters need to know about this before they vote for this guy.

Im sure Hilary will be accused of attacking him but people need to be made aware of this talk.

The TRUE Obama comes out at last. How pathetic to say that the GOP have all the ideas. Obama has been using GOP talking points this entire campaign and it's really getting old. I guess now we finally know that when Obama talks about getting along in Washington he wants to force Democrats to knuckle under to the Republicans who have all the ideas. Give me a break.

but not in any way anyone with a reasonable mind would appreciate.

Anyone that was thinking of Obama as their choice this should be the deal breaker. Either Obama is totally ignorant of the fact that the Raygun Revolution spawned all the neo-con crap we're dealing with today or he's a pandering politician looking for the right-wing macho vote.

The only reason to use Raygun as an example for anything is to point to the fact that his polices started this nation done a path of ruin, and if that's the kind of "conventional wisdom" one wishes to emulate, they're NOT getting this man's vote.

This video insulted me as someone who grew up in the 60s and 70s and who never attended a "love in." How can he say he is not invested in the 60s and 70s when they shaped so much of what we are? And, "excesses?" The civil rights movement of Dr. King defined that period as well as many social changes that came about because people then really stood up for change and justice. Was that an excess? And please, to praise Ronald Reagan's facade and Republicans as the "party of ideas?" Ronald Reagan and the Republicans of the last 10 to 15 years brought this country to the abyss it is at now and killed many people in the process besides giving us the poverty we now see. He may spark something in some to think he is "the one" because of the rock star glitz of his rallies, but I personally believe he needs to open a history book. Especially in light of knowing that what Reagan and Republicans through this Bush offered was far different from what was delivered, why would he even use him as an example without mentioning the results or at least criticizing his hatred for the poor, for gays, and for anyone who dared disagree with him and the lies and criminality that led to Iran Contra? That alone does make me wonder what he now means by bringing "change."

Sound bytes are effective. One way or another.