Break out that old Tin Foil Hat!!!

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okay, since I ride the bus every morning and read the reams of stuff that I have printed out from either DU or other sites the previous day, it gives me time to reflect upon what I have read and to really digest what is going on in the world and find new and interesting ways to scare the living crap out of myself.

Hey, it's a hobby, okay?

Anyway, I just finished reading this latest article about Blackwater...

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/03/1638/

...and started thinking about what happens when we finally pull out of iraq and what is to become of Blackwater.

Okay, this is where the tinfoil comes in handy.

All sorts of theories are being tossed about regarding whether or not moron* will willfully give up power when his* term is up.

But then the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive was signed recently basically giving moron* dictatorial powers in the event of a "national emergency" that basically he* defines.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Couple that with the his reversal of the posse comitatus act

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act)

and several other little goodies he* has set up and one would think that he* could basically take over at will.

But you have to think, if I was an evil bastard* when would be the best time to commit an act of coup d'etat? Why it would be just after the national election of course.

Suppose november 2008 comes and goes, someone new is now going to be in the white house but it's still well over 2 months before that happens in 09. "Suddenly" out of the blue, some horrific event takes place. Moron* is still the "decider" and he suddenly decides to suspend the constitution or dissolve congress etc. All in the name of "national security" for an indefinite period of time. "until the crisis has passed".

This would do several things:
1) since he* allowed 9/11 to happen on his watch, all the mouth breathers who had deemed him* worthy of saint hood, but left because he* didn't give them enough BJ's, will once again flock to him* to solve all of the worlds problems including but not exclusive to their hang nail problems.

2) the new pres that was elected will lobby for a quick transfer of powers only to be rebuffed by morons* little nation emergency dictator powers act. This will throw the nation into a constitutional crisis.

No worry because...

3) Blackwater and the militarization of our police and security forces will now keep everyone in line. Because, the majority of our military will be outside of the country.

4) Everyone, meaning the general population, will once again be shitting a brick with the latest "can you top this" terrorist act that moron*, much like with the trial run of 9/11, will get everything he* wants handed to him on a platter.

5) The end of a constitutionally based democracy. The end of the great experiment.

Like I said, this is a major tinfoil hat worthy theory. Probably my most insane one yet. However, after reading way to much over the past several years and threading all the once thought of conspiracy theories together that have now seem to have come to pass via PNAC, it's only probable now that something like this could happen.

What can you do?

1) grow your own food.

2) put your head down and be a good nazi

3) join the underground

4) plead to china to stop funding the idiot*

5) buy a small piece of land roughly 6 feet long by 3 feet wide and 6 feet deep. They will be going like hot cakes soon

6) pick of the book, "living in a detainment camp made easy or how I learned to live on 200 calories a day and loved it"

7) invest in jack boots, wrap around sunglasses and help the "cause"

8)Continue to drive your SUV and support the troops in getting you more gas for your habit.

9) keep muttering to yourself "we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" over and over until you get hired for that sweet spot at homeland security.

And finally

10) remember we have always been at war with Eurasia.

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Would you like me to show you around. I've been here for many years. If you need anything, ask and I might be able to get it for you, for a small commission, of course.

Tin Foil? My cap is made from genuine Tin. None of that ersatz aluminum for me.

Rex 84: FEMA's Blueprint for Martial Law in America

Back in '84, Ollie the Traitor wanted to deputize the Michigan Militia-types.

hat has been glued on for 6 years and probably it is permanent.

in NYC. Ghouli was riding so high afterwards he wanted to suspend the new election and when that didn't fly he wanted to delay the start of the term of the Bloomberg to keep continuity in a time of crisis. They tried it then, they would certainly try it on a Federal level. On the Federal level they have more help like a weak Congress, Blackwater etc. This really isn't all that 'Tin Foil Hat'.

edit to add link:

Up close, his compassion and calm command were every bit as impressive as advertised. I fell hard for him and what he was doing for New York and the country. Too hard. When he said it was "cynical" to believe he should leave office at the end of his term—nearly four months after 9/11—I bought his argument for an extension. I was fearful enough to write that he had "practical reasons" for moving in an extraconstitutional direction amid the emergency. When cooler heads than mine prevailed, he eventually backed down on that idea, as well as his insistence on changing the city constitution so he could run for a third term.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17439294/site/newsweek/page/2/

as we know, the directive effectively gives the president complete control over everything in times of national emergency . . . now, Bush knows how low his ratings are, and he knows that the next president will likely be a Democrat . . . are we to believe that he would initiate this enormous expansion of presidential power for a Democratic president? . . .

no chance . . . he issued the directive because HE plans to use it . . . the only questions are when and how . . .

as well known.

and above any other previous president has issued.

involved. I think this latest one, * can act alone. imho

people get the false impression that he* actually gives a crap about the constitution.

Lull the people in to the false sense of relief now that the idiots* technically gone only then can he* let loose with some sort of incident.

overthrow of *? Even though this directive gives * the ability to dissolve congress and * is the Commander and Chief and the MSM seems to be in cahoots with *Co - * only has 28% approval rating with the American people. Wouldn't everyone just rebel? Wouldn't there be a military coup to take * out of power? Wouldn't the majority see this a a power grab by a deranged psychopath? Wouldn't this be the straw that breaks the camel's back and finally does in *?

If there is a huge movement of troops out of the country.

That's what worries me about the "surge" first he* said that it would only be about 10-15,000 troops (yeah only). but that number has grown much larger.

Also the other thing to watch for in the event that some sort of natural disaster happens, look to see who is providing the help the general pop.

If you recall after Katrina it was blackwater. There were National Guard troops there, but because of the war, their numbers were greatly reduced and had to be "supplemented".

Usually before any sort of major foreign governmental action there is a flurry of unexplained troop movements and various government employees taking vacations out of country.

unless you are trying to commit suicide.

countries with dictatorships I would say that around 30% is a viable amount of support
(for instance didn't Hitler recieve about that percentage of votes when he gained power?
And also Saddam only had the support of the minority Sunni population, which was around that percentage).

does anyone else think the tinfoil hat smily is totally adorable??

You seem to know how silly and unrealistic your theory is. Since you do, I'm perplexed about why you feel the need to put it out there anyway as if maybe it has some legitimacy or miniscule bearing in reality. It doesn't.

You seemed to not grasp it.

I understand that you recognized how absolutely absurd and unrealistic it was and I already stated so. What isn't self explanatory is why you felt the need to post it anyway as if there was some relevance or legitimacy to it, despite the awareness to how insane it sounds.

Why would you post something under a premise of being worthy to ponder, when you already have ascertained that it is completely insane, unrealistic and illegitimate? What's the point then?

well, I sometimes use the tinfoil hat claim because when certain things seem to fall into place given a particular trend, one would conclude that given the elements involved (when using rational thinking) it would lend itself to a tinfoil hat type of thought.

I post things things from time to time, they are more and an exercise to get them out of my system and to see if I'm the only one thinking like this.

apparently I'm not, so therefore, it may not actually be a tinfoil hat theory after all, just a postulation.

I tend to also glove many of my posts like this with an element of humor.

It makes it easier to laugh at it then to cry. lol

if you think that nuking Iran is beyond them, think again . . .

I was responding to the OP. Not about whether they would or would not be willing to Nuke Iran.

So you pay attention bub.

Mr. Bush would never lie America into an illegal and immoral war that would kill a million people, either.

I mean, do you really think what you're saying in response has credibility somehow or is even a logical argument?

How much sillier can you get then making such a huge leap of logic that because I find the premise of shrubby being able to force himself on us indefinitely; as if the country, the armed services, congress and the courts would just so easily allow him to; to be insane, unreaslistic, irrational and immensely improbable; that it means I think he is good and not capable of doing bad things.

I couldn't imagine a weaker type of response than one using the sort of twisted logic and flawed strawman reasoning as above.

Do you really think that reply is an argument or rebuttal somehow? Do you actually think for a second such monumentally silly deduction should even be taken seriously?

Jesus. There are no bounds to what some will leap to here.

all signs point to this, and have for a while now.

Hat.:tinfoilhat::scared: I know, I know...this is from WND, but THAT makes this whole thing even SCARIER, IMCPO. IF WND writers aren't seeing what we're seeing...we are in a world of hurt! Also, read all the other things this RW zealot has written. It's frightening. This is a guy who was involved in Swiftboating John Kerry and now he's writing this crap about Bush??? Something's going on.:scared:

Bush makes power grab
Posted: May 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president. The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.

That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.

The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."



When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government." Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.

Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of dictatorial powers by the president with the goal of maintaining constitutional continuity through an emergency.<snip>

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824


Bush's detention facilities
Posted: May 30, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern



Houston-based KBR, formerly the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co., has a contingency contract in place with the Department of Homeland Security to construct detention facilities in the event of a national emergency. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, spokeswoman Jamie Zuieback confirmed yesterday in a telephone interview that the KBR contract for $385 million was awarded initially in January 2006 for a one-year base period with four one-year options. It has been extended into 2007. KBR held a previous emergency detention contract with ICE from 2000 to 2005.

Zuieback told this writer the primary intent of the KBR contract was to build temporary detention facilities that could be used in the event of a mass migration across the border that required ICE to respond on a quick basis to an illegal-immigration crisis. "The idea of the KBR contract is to support the Army Corp of Engineers," Zuieback explained, "in case we experienced a sudden mass immigration and we had to respond quickly. We would need immediate detention facilities in the form of temporary housing that would enable us to determine if the large numbers of illegal immigrants were political or economically motivated, or if they were criminals or terrorists."

Zuieback confirmed that the KBR contract for detention facilities could apply to national emergencies, including natural disasters.

Several times, Zuieback insisted in the telephone interview that the KBR contract was a "contingency contract," specifying that detention facilities were to be built only when an immigration emergency or a national emergency, including a natural disaster, had been declared. Heather Browne, spokeswoman for KBR, also sent me an e-mail yesterday confirming KBR built a temporary facility in New Orleans that provided cantonment for up to 500 federal detention officers who were tasked with maintaining law and order during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Last week, WND reported President Bush had signed May 9 a little-reported National Security and Homeland Security Directive (NSPD-51 and NSPD-20) that granted extraordinary powers to the president in the event of a declared national emergency, apparently without congressional approval or oversight.

NSPD-51/HSPD-20, published on the White House website, rescinds Presidential Decision Directive 67 signed by Bill Clinton Oct. 21, 1998, and establishes a new White House office of the National Continuity Coordinator, a position now occupied by Frances Fragos Townsend, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Terrorism. The new directive concentrates an unprecedented amount of emergency authority in the office of the president, specifying that the president now has the authority to direct "National Essential Functions" of all federal state, local, territorial and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations in the event of a national emergency.<snip>

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55923

Here's a link to more of his articles:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=246

It would sure make sense as to why the admin has treated our military so badly (besides their basic contempt for humanity).

the timeline of the evetns up to the Iraq war.

Discovered the PNAC goals. Also discovered that the CIA was not the least bit bashful about
stating what they really wanted to have happen in the world.

On the CIA official website pages, there was a discussion of how two things needed to happen: the ability to turn the National Guard into a fighting force. And secondly, the ability to have the National Guard (and other American military) be willing to turn on American citizens)

The war in Iraq is allowing this to happen. Many of the guys that are stop-lossed get smart and switch over to Blackwater. Why make 30 K a year when you can make 30 K a month?

Keeping the Guard and others in Iraq in constant repetitive tours has de-humanized these men. Even Dear Abby's column featured a letter from a young woman engaged to a guy in Iraq who was writing to her and telling her that they could only get married if she had an abortion and agreed to not have children. (That letter appeared about eighteen months ago. A lot of de-humanizing has occurred since.)

I don't think that the CIA website still contains the reference I am citing. For whatever foolish reason I did not screenshot it when I saw it.

GIVEN: a Blackwater/Praetorian Gaurd
and the National Security directive
and weakened Posse Comitatus

how might these things be connected? If the answer takes you to a dark place, pull out the tin foil hat.

Something bugs me about this. I think it's obviously good critical thinking to examine these conditions and extrapolate out how they might impact us. It's completely reasonable to imagine that these conditions have been put in place for a reason -- they didn't "just happen." Someone desired the changes and worked damn hard to put them in place. The ONLY RATIONAL response is to ask WHY.

Asking "why," shouldn't require a tin foil hat. Moreover, the language of "tin foil hat" completely undermines the RATIONALITY of asking why.Have we really become so anti-reason that all forms of critical thinking are equal with symptoms of schizophrenia?

Keep asking questions and toss the tin foil hat out the bus window. :evilgrin:

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When they should be worrying about losing their cash cow in 2008.

It doesn't make any sense, unless They (capital T) have other plans for post 2008.

have been used by the Intelligence Community to attack those who dissent from the IC's agenda. After WWI the American Legion and other pro-fascist orgs engaged in labor union busting. There are going to be alot of troubled veterans coming home from Iraq without jobs or prospects.

I think that pondering such a scenario given the carefully crafted components that have been put in place, is a healthy excercise. Quite a few issues were originally passed off as tin foil hat material that later either came to light, or had produced enough evidence to make the claims seem more viable. The evidence for this set-up and potential scenario is right there for all to see. Written into our lawbooks. Not all political coup's require a military takeover. Especially when you make the takeover legal within the current system of government.

While some may blow this off as conspiracy theory and tin foil hat wearers, I've come to learn one vary sobering fact. I do not underestimate this Administration as being capable or at the least willing to do just about anything to sate thier lust for power and control.

That's when my rifle comes out of my closet.

"I regret that I have but one life to give for my country" -Nathan Hale

How the hell are they gonna contain a country of 300 million?

first off, there are still about 30%, as far as we know, who support everything this admin does....so you are down to, what...a mere 210 million...and if, by some chance there are 50% who still support him/them...then you are down to 150 million...now...of that 210/150 million...how many are recent immigrants? or immigrants of countries we have invaded legally, illegally, at some point in the past/present? how many are Iranian, Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, etc? How many are Mexicans...??? or Japanese, Chinese, Laotian, Cambodian, Thai??? (500,000 Iranians live in So. California) How many are So American?? Venzuelan, Argentinians? How many are Russian, Indian, Pakistani, Cuban?...How many of them are gang members, criminals, killers, murderers, (Russian Mafia/MS-13?Yakutsa?)etc.?HOW MANY OF THEIR NUMBER FEEL ANY LOYALTY TO US, OR THIS GOV'T?? OR THIS COUNTRY AS A WHOLE???....see how this works?? how small that seemingly large number can become??? It is called divide and conquer, and in some parts of this country, we(born/raised here) are NO LONGER the majority, we are now the minority...

We have NOT insisted immigrants adapt our ways...instead we have allowed them to bring their countries here, and insert them into our space...we have allowed them to bring their religion and continue to convert others, (especially in our prisons)we have allowed them to maintain their own little communities separate from us, we have allowed them to continue to speak their own language to the point that it is now being proposed that we have an OFFICIAL language by law...ENGLISH...We have allowed them to take over our businesses, and buy our land....in fact, they get breaks that Americans born and raised here, cannot/do not get...in some states, illegal aliens have actually bankrupted hospital and medical systems...and we have allowed them to dress as they did IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, to the point of it having been tested in court as to whether a woman could wear her burka for the picture on her driver's license...

It is called, once again, divide and conquer...do you honestly expect any of these people to stand alongside you...and fight for what YOU want???...during the civil war, absolutely...in the last 100 years, most likely....now...very very doubtful....In fact...I wonder how many would actually turn and fight us...??(how many aliens have been smuggled in that we don't know about?) The numbers of people in this country with loyalty to the US Constitution and what it stands for, has become much smaller, because everyone has their own agenda now...and I think it will be NO problem for those in power to control our numbers...that is what they have been planning on, and planning for, for decades...we were asleep at the wheel, and apathetic, when we should have been awake...add to that mercenaries, and troops that have been traumatized, NG that should never have been sent to Iraq/Afghanistan, etc., in the first place...soldiers who are no longer able to think as we do when they return...and I don't think there's any problem containing whatever numbers of millions is left...
JMO...with no intent to offend...just to throw a little ice water on the thought that all people who live in this country...will rise up WITH US and fight for our way of life...I don't think it's gonna happen...and I think we need to realize that...and all that has been done..in recent years, has been done with a deliberate intent...the only thing that's left..is to find out what that intent is...and I am not sure I want to go there...
wb..