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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:46 PM
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Clinton lied under oath, Libby lied under oath. Rule of conservative law,
Clinton should be impeached and Libby should be pardoned. Go Figure.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:47 PM
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1. It is the twisted logic of the modern neocon GOP
White is black, up is down and the ends justify the means.
:crazy:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:49 PM
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2. Actually, it's even worse.
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 02:49 PM by Gregorian
They impeached Clinton because the wanted to get rid of him. That is not what happened with Libby.

Their actions were pure evil. Ours are just following the rule of law. Of course they lie when they say that is what they were doing with Clinton. But we know better.


Edit- Yes. And then there's what you said. Doubly evil creatures.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:49 PM
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3. libby broke a law of the land, not the law of the party
conservatives value the party more then they do the land, just like the communists did in the USSR's heyday.

IF CLINTON TOLD THE TRUTH NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
IF LIBBY TOLD THE TRUTH CHENEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:51 PM
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4. Excellent.
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 02:51 PM by Gregorian
Good way of putting it! This is sick on so many levels.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:02 PM
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12. "Conservatives value the party more then they do the land."
:thumbsup: Excellent point that needs to be pointed out at every opportunity. Perhaps we should just start referring to the republic party as The Party. :D
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:06 PM
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14. I don't make such statements lightly
but they prove my point with their actions. They call themselves the party of integrity but they have no integrity (and they don't care.) They call themselves the party of responsibility and they take no responsibility (and they don't care.)

Joe Wilson broke a rule of the republican party, he told the truth and was persecuted BY THE PARTY.
scooter libby broke a rule of the land, he lied and he is being made to be a martyr BY THE PARTY.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:18 PM
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31. Another way of putting it
Clinton's lie protected his personal life.

Libby's lie hurt the nation.
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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:52 PM
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5. Twisted hypocrites!!!
Everybody else lives in the Repubs world!:crazy:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:53 PM
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6. Let's get this right. Libby was CONVICTED of perjury. Was Clinton?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:55 PM
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8. Clinton was not convicted of perjury
Because he didn't lie under oath. His famous locution "I did not have sex with that woman . . . Miss Lewinski" came out during an interview, not during a sworn statement. And as difficult as that concept is for some of our Fredneck brothers and sisters, you can't be charged with perjury for a statement made during an interview.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:59 PM
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10. I thought it had something to do with the deposition and that he didn't consider a bj as having sex.
Then the blue dress and DNA and he was impeached for saying he didn't have sex in the deposition.

I could be very wrong, my memory isn't so good.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:37 PM
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20. If I recall correctly...
Clinton was disbarred in Arkansas and had some fine to pay (like $25-50K), on the condition that the Whitewater prosecutors wouldn't pursue perjury charges against him. He also had to resign from the Supreme Court bar. Though yes, he was not convicted of perjury.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:45 PM
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22. Clinton broke no law nor was he charged with any crime
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 03:50 PM by Toots
He was disbarred for being evasive and unhelpful to the "Independent" council but not for committing any crime. He accepted the disbarment instead of being charged with perjury and taken to trial. Whether the charge would have stuck we will never know because he took the deal. Clinton was a lawyer and they almost always will settle out of court if possible. That is why they paid off Paula Jones as well. I doubt very seriously if she could have proven anything against Bill but for a hundred grand why take the chance? I think he truly is "Slick Willie" and a bit shady but wow what a President...
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:23 PM
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28. While he wasn't charged with anything...
We don't know if he did break any laws since the case never went to trial. I suspect that he probably wouldn't have been convicted, but I don't actually know. He did the right thing to plead out (in both instances) since it only cost him his law license (which he wasn't planning to use) and some money (which he easily made back by writing his book and on speaking engagements). I think the Arkansas bar settlement cost around $25k and Paula Jones was $850k, most of which her lawyer probably got.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:15 PM
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29. I beg to differ
He was charged with perjury. The impeachment is analagous to an indictment. However, the trial in this case is in the Senate, and the Senate found Clinton Not Guilty. They jury in Libby's case found him guilty.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:29 AM
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33. No he was not
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 07:29 AM by Toots
He was accused of lying under oath which is not necessarily perjury and he was never charged with a crime. Impeachment is not a criminal affair, it is political and the most he could lose would be his job. He was in fact Impeached. The Senate chose not to expell him from the Whtehouse. There was never a threat to hs liberty and the Paula Jones case was a Civil suit not a criminal one.
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mediawatch Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:50 PM
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23. Clinton was impeached by the house of Representatives
and acquitted by the senate for perjury and obstruction of justice. He perjured himself while under oath in the Paula Jones case. So correct me if I am wrong he was not really impeached, right?

Are you aware how many sperms died! They could have been potential children, for goodness sakes. I am surprised he didn't' get charge with murder
Silly man he thought sexual intercourse meant vaginal intercourse:sarcasm:
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:16 PM
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30. No, he was impeached by the house
An impeachment is basically the same as an indictment. Once you were indicted, you have been indicted. It doesn't change just because you were found not guilty.
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mediawatch Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:36 AM
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34. I did not know that
thanks
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:55 PM
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7. Rule of conservative law:
a "Monica Lewinsky" is worse than treason and war crimes.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:55 PM
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9. Revealing a penis - impeachment
Revealing a CIA identity - accolades.

That's how fucked up these people are, and how fucked up this country is that they let the right wing convince them that that isn't what happened.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:01 PM
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11. Nutshell
- Joe Wilson broke a law of the republican party, he told the truth.
- libby broke the law of the land, he lied.

Party is much more important to conservatives then our country. An obvious comparison with the communists of the old USSR and an incredibly valid one.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:14 PM
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18. Stains on a Dress - Impeachment
Stains on the Constitution, pardon.
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mediawatch Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:54 AM
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35. actually
they both perjured themselves and obstructed justice. one got convicted in the court of law and the other got impeached by the house of rep.

Libby did not get charged with revealing a CIA identity and Clinton did not get impeached for revealing his penis
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:05 PM
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13. But Sex is Deadlier Than Outing CIA Agents
Don't ya think?
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:10 PM
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15. What I dont get
Libby was convicted. He's been found as guilty of his crime as any other person in the US prison system. He's been found more guilty than most people that are in GITMO. Yet Rethugs keep talking about him as if some how he is still at the innocent until proven guilty stage. I wish at least one person in the media would remind these patriots about the people in the field who were compromised and most likely died due to this leak.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:11 PM
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16. repukes are insane
they should all be institutionalized before they do any more harm
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rec_report Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:12 PM
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17. Actually, Clinton didn't lie, as he wanted a clarification of the question
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 03:13 PM by rec_report
(regarding his personal life) which Clinton never received. The Reichwing, therefore, used his (alleged) 'lack of clarity' against him and accuse him of 'perjury.'
Regardless, Clinton engaged in a private affair and 'Scooter' Libby's lies contributed to the death of hundreds of thousands.
Polar Bear
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:27 PM
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19. Clinton simply didn't honestly answer......
a question about his personal life that he should never have been asked.

Libby's actions were treason.......that's a whole different thing.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:39 PM
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21. Didn't you know, Clinton lied under oath WHILE NOT BEING REPUBLICAN
Laws are for the little people, not Republicans.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:51 PM
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24. people - clinton answered a GJ question with a lie. ...BUT
the question was thrown out by the judge. right?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:12 PM
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25. What jury declared Clinton guilty of perjury? THAT WOULD BE NONE, so STOP saying it.
Your ASSUMPTION is NOT the definition of "lied under oath"; only a legal verdict is.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:31 PM
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26. If you are referring to my post then I agree with you. Clinton was accused of lying under oath and
was impeached, Libby was convicted of lying under oath and should be pardoned per conservative rule of law.

That makes it that much worse.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:39 PM
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27. EXCELLENT analysis of Clinton's deposition and testimony (link):
http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/79-3/Tiersma.pdf
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:34 PM
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32. Nominated.
A short, direct post. Very good! Very good, indeed!

Thank you.
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