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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:49 PM
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Tourists around the World CHEER and CLAP as Glaciers Collapse
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:54 PM
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1. The South's Gonna Do it Agin!
Whooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Chalk it up to a lack of awareness?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:55 PM
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2. Calving is natural for these glaciers
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 09:55 PM by Blue_In_AK
at least the ones here in Alaska. It's just part of the process as they move to the sea. I'm not saying that some glaciers aren't receding, but this calving isn't proof of much, IMO.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:58 PM
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4. Exactly...except it occurs further upstream every year.
Which is clear evidence of the climate change we're seeing. When the glaciers are gone, that scene won't be repeated...at least for a very long time...

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:09 PM
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7. Regarding Hubbard Glacier
or "the Galloping Glacier":

Seventy-five miles long and covering over 1,350 square miles in area, the Hubbard Glacier is the largest tidewater glacier in North America. It is also one of the most impressive, a 300-foot wall of ice rising sheer and jagged from the ocean. It has been thickening and advancing toward the Gulf of Alaska since it was first mapped by the International Boundary Commission in 1895. This is in stark contrast with most glaciers, which have thinned and retreated during the last century.
This atypical behavior is an important example of the calving glacier cycle in which glacier advance and retreat is controlled more by the mechanics of terminus calving than by climate fluctuations. If Hubbard Glacier continues to advance, it will close the seaward entrance of Russell Fiord and create the largest glacier-dammed lake on the North American continent in historic times.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:10 PM
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8. Ture, but you have to keep going further back to watch and hear.
Mendenhall has receeded so far from when I first saw it only 20 yrs ago, I am appalled.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:14 PM
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10. Same with Portage Glacier up here in Anchorage
You can't even see it from the visitor's center anymore. I was interested to read, though, that apparently Hubbard Glacier, which is the subject of one of these videos, is in fact thickening and advancing. Maybe the dynamic is somewhat different for tidewater glaciers than for mountain glaciers. :shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:22 AM
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15. Portage Glacier is the only major glacier I have ever seen
I was there in '89 and I was SHOCKED to learn that it could no longer be seen less than 20 years later.

SHOCKED I tell ya.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:16 PM
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19. Seriously?
I saw it in 1993. That was only 14 years ago!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:39 PM
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20. Yes, seriously.
I myself hadn't been back there for a few years, but when my now husband moved up here from Texas to be with me in 2002, I wanted to show him the cool glacier. Alas, when we got to the end of the road, there was nothing there, just the lake. When I first moved to Alaska in 1975, the glacier was clear out into the middle of the lake and in the winter you could walk up to it. Sadly, no longer.

Here are some dramatic pictures

Portage Glacier, 1950

Portage Glacier, 2002


Portage Glacier, 1914


Portage Glacier, 2004



This is the most seriously receding glacier around here.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:00 PM
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21. That's really a shame. It's such a cool place.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:04 PM
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22. It's still quite beautiful
back in the valley, and the lake is lovely, but it's just not the same.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:07 PM
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23. I graduated in '87
and came back in '97. Dh and I took a drive out to Portage on the way to a hotel where a reunion event was being held... and I was shocked that it had receded so much.

I won't be going to my 20th this year, so I won't be stopping by the visitors center. It was damned impressive back in the mid to late 80's.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:55 PM
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3. They're just reacting to an exciting moment. I doubt any of those cheering
people were really expressing joy at the climate change responsible for the glacier calving. I suspect it's a normal reaction to a fairly spectacular event....
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:04 PM
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5. True, but it just seems so eerie because one day
there will be no more laughing...
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:05 PM
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6. That's what I was thinking, too.
:)
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:11 PM
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9. Humans love to watch destruction, even when it is their own.
'We've' gone completely MAD!!
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:16 PM
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11. I agree! Subconscious or not,
the greatest entertainment in our lives is death and destruction...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 10:23 PM
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12. Lotta idiots.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:55 AM
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13. Kick
:kick:
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Morereason Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:34 AM
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14. I would expect "woah" OOh, ahhh.. But clapping and laughing seems weird
Our society sees everything as entertainment. It is barbaric, I don't see this as "normal" behavior (as in positive).
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:50 AM
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16. Laughter is a nervous response at times
And seeing a twelve-ton chunk of ice fall and create a wave that could possibly eat a town in some cases, is pretty intimidating. It's a conciliatory sort of thing, one of those "if I think you're great maybe you won't kill me" things.

Myself... I used to watch Sheridan and Miles Glacier calving, up near Cordova, AK. Last I heard, they're just heaps of mud now. Depresses the hell out of me.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:25 AM
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17. Ignorance is bliss.
But it enrages me.

And there are still a lot of people (intelligent ones, I should add) who refuse to accept global warming as a fact. I am losing friends over it. I won't spend any more time trying to tell them what is going on.

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:32 PM
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24. Yes, it is amazing, isn't it?
There's no doubt that we are witnessing these devastating changes to our environment.
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:12 PM
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18. The ice in my Scotch keeps melting!
Damn you, George W. Bush!


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