So they're growing pork in a petri dish now. A question...

krispos42

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Fri Jun-08-07 11:48 PM
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So they're growing pork in a petri dish now. A question...

Pork chops and bacon from stem cells. The cuts of meat without the messy slaughter and butch of live animals.

I have a question about it, then. Sort of a philosophical/theological question that will need some discussion at some point in the future.

Is it kosher?

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Dogmudgeon

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Fri Jun-08-07 11:51 PM
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1. Quick! Cue the FSM jokes!

Pork.

It's Not Just For Gentiles Anymore, Bubbeleh.

--p!

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krispos42

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Fri Jun-08-07 11:54 PM
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2. FSM?

Que?

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hatrack

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:18 AM
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9. Flying Spaghetti Monster

But seriously, this sounds like something out of "Oryx and Crake".

Weird.

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krispos42

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:22 AM
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11. Oh, jeez, that's right

THAT is why it was tickling the back of my brain!

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Spinzonner

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Fri Jun-08-07 11:56 PM
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3. Depends whether they grow the hooves with it

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question416.htm

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Californian Dreamer

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Fri Jun-08-07 11:57 PM
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4. I'm all for it

As strange at it may be, the potential of a clean and efficient alternative to massive slaughterhouses could be very good. Of course, I had high hopes for genetically modified foods too... But that is less a matter of the science as the failure of caution and reason in the face of greed.

This seems harder to screw up though. I hope.

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Posteritatis

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Fri Jun-08-07 11:57 PM
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5. That's actually an interesting question (halal, too); anyone clued about it in the house? (nt)

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krispos42

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:07 AM
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6. I ask because Harry Turtledove wrote a short story about it

In the story, genetic engineers made a pig that chewed it's cud (for developing countries where food was scarce), so the debate became over whether or not the meat was kosher.

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Posteritatis

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:17 AM
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8. Which story was that?

I'm a loony Turtledove fanboy.

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krispos42

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:21 AM
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10. Argh. I was in "Departures".

I loaned my roomie the book but she's not here to ask about where it is right now.

There was an awsome story in there about public education, as well.

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Posteritatis

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:31 AM
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13. I prolly oughta engage my purchasing mechanisms, then

I've almost bought that a few times en route to get other books. (Then again, I'm way behind on his stuff; I think the last of his books I bought was "In The Presence Of Mine Enemies.")

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fishnfla

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:14 AM
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7. can they grow it in a petri dish of Fat Freds? yum

and a side of slaw?

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Richard Steele

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:22 AM
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12. Petri dish or on the hoof, it's still "pork".

I doubt that it will be considered "kosher".

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krispos42

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:39 AM
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15. Hence the question

I am uncertain of the details that makes pork non-kosher. I think it is because they have cloven hooves and don't chew cud.

But the meat in the dish never chewed cut nor ever had hooves, cloven or otherwise.

I know enough to ask the question, not to answer it.

Any rabbis in the house?

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Richard Steele

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Sat Jun-09-07 01:58 AM
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16. I doubt those side-issue details will be relevant to the question of "pork".

The "cloven hoof" and "cud chewing" aspects might come into play
if and when OTHER animal flesh is produced by this laboratory process...

If it was grown in a lab, then it never had hooves or chewed ANYTHING,
so that's one for the Rabbis to debate.

But "the flesh of swine" is mentioned BY NAME as "unclean" in the Torah.
There's just not much "wiggle room" in that singularly clear & concise
prohibition, and I doubt that anyone will even try to make a case for it.

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Sat Jun-09-07 12:36 AM
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14. OMG!

Now Rebublicans can breed faster !!!

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