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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:55 AM Original message |
What if GM and Ford just go away, close, liquidate, get the hell out? |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. And throw thousands of workers into unemployment |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The other car makers can just hire the workers, and because they will be selling few million more |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. American car companies treat their workers better |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
43. American car companies are in trouble because they've sold garbage for the last two decades. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I'll put my Ford products up against any foreign vehicles |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Good for you. Good luck. |
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MisterHowdy (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Thats a joke. |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. I'm with you! |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I would rather have a picture of a ford as the keys to anything else |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. That's part of it |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Tell that to their unions |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Tell the unions to stop fighting the increase in mileage ... |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Would you be so kind as to explain how you conclude it is the Unions fighting a rise in CAFE? |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. You might want to check the voting record of people like ... |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Now, Now...not fair. You are dodging the question |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Google CAFE UAW |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I CONCEDE YOUR POINT! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
63. Yes, not a good idea |
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JackintheGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. The pay gap between exec and worker in Japan |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
72. According to this website, the pay gap between Japanese CEO |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. is that what they do here? |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. IIRC, |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. I heard a story on NPR about them fighting raising cars' MPG ... |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. They are pigs, just like any other big business... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Michael Moore said |
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murloc (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
70. They certainly have |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
7. How many of you have Automobile Industry Experience? |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. No, there won't...The others will pick up the slack, easily. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The Capacity Just Doesn't Exist |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I just don't see that happening |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Would Asian customers buy US cars? Seriously... nt |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. In China, Buick bucks the trend |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. But would the Japanese? Hey, I'm all for allowing the US to export |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. 18 year old Camry here -- will trade it for a Corolla probably n/t |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. BINGO! Look a little further into Buick's history in China |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
48. Not all the parts come from Asia |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Even IF the other mfgs expanded their operations to be able to |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. I worked at GM for 13 years back in the 70's and 80's.. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
55. think like a SUPPLIER. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
11. american corporations are completely dysfunctional........... |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
12. Ford and GM would also fill in the gap with foreign made cars. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
18. Economy folds completely |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
23. Atta way to support your fellow American workers! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Okay--cite your source, how badly does Toyota treat it's workers? Thanks. nt |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Allow me |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I'm sure Ford and GM are responding positively to union cries for unionization |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Honda and Toyota aren't either |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So you want me to support Ameican companies mfging in Mexico |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:53 AM Original message |
The point is that all the criticism are directed towards American companies |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. The point is that all the criticism are directed towards American companies |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. I won't buy that one. I'm supporting American workers because my car |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. You are supporting lower paid workers in this country |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. AFL-CIO Blog "Toyota Workers: Company Runs Over Our Rights" |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
27. GM and Ford are losing profits |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. If they are hurting, why not have the executives take a pay cut? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. They should |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. But it could free them up NOT to have to ask workers to give concessions. |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. A company can't survive in the long run unless it can make a profit |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Because the executives won't take a pay cut |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. That's one of the biggest problems agreed. But poor quality has hurt |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. There have been more Toyota recalls than GM in the past year or so |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. All minor repairs. Keep trying. My experience tells me all I need to know. nt |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I have been driving my Chevy Malibu for 6 years |
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Morrisons Ghost (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
37. Great Idea |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. I know! Let's just saw Michigan off the US at the southern edge |
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Batgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. you're so silly -- first the lower peninsula would smoosh into Mackinac Island |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. I agree the rest of the US would be better off without Michigan |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Because every other state is SO much better |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
58. Wow! That's a GREAT idea! |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
60. Yeah, why not just blow up my home state of Michigan? |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
65. then it's just one more industry |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
66. Or maybe they could stop making SUVs and start making cars people actually want (nm) |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
67. Well Based On The Article I Just Read, The Union Sounds Quite Overpaid For The Industry. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
71. If they only provided a little innovation once in a while |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
73. they have some $1800/car in healthcare for retirees |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
74. Then I wouldn't know what car to buy. |
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