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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:20 PM Original message |
Please consider helping pass the Hate Crimes legislation |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Maybe we should think long and hard |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Well then it's a good thing we are NOT criminalizing thought. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Motivation? bs There |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. We punish motivation all the time in other contexts |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Death penalty should go as well, Extra crime of |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Certainly these factors should |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
84. How are the beliefs being criminalized? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. Really...how many times have laws relating to conspiracies |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Who is this "they" of which you speak? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
75. THEY = judiciary. It is rather obvious in the sentence. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Why do you bring up conspiracies? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. No, the crime is the denial of civil rights. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Please explain to me an example of "denying civil rights" in the commission of a violent crime. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Take for instance |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
89. Why wouldn't that be simple murder? And do you think gay bashing should be a federal crime? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. What if some one commits a crime because they |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Why don't we worry about fords and red hair when....... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I'm with you on that one. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. "we" ?? "they" ?? Maybe you need to reflect a bit. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. I've reflected more than long enough |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I hope you are being sarcastic to |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. "Straight panic" |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. That bullshit argument is cut from the same cloth as the anti-gay marriage argument. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I don't follow your analogy. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
83. Your red haired ford driver scenario serves to dilute what's REALLY happening to GLBT people.... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I noticed that too. . . |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #85 |
171. "these people" |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Really? How many women do you know who move freely |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Then let's effectively prosecute the laws we already have. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Also, if that is your point, what makes you |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. How many laws are prosecuted that are NOT on the books? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. I'm agreeing with you. I was expanding on my original point. I should have been moore clear. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Sorry. . . |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. What if they started beating up white males at random? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. They could be charged with murder. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Nope. . .it would be reduced to manslaughter. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Your use of "they" is quite alarming. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
73. They is a plural reference to a "group" |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Easy, the "hate crime" is separate charge from the , and I hate |
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CTD (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
49. WRONG. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. No you are treating different crimes differently |
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CTD (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. No, actually it's not. Because we don't know what inspired the bar fight. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
71. What a bullshit argument. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Agreed, but that is a function of sentencing. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I can't fathom you would prefer to have one judge make that decision |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Why would you think jury would do that |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. because no less than the Supreme Court has ruled about this |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. But you didn't mind when it was perfectly fine for the dominant |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. That, true as it is, must be addressed through education, or it will not stick. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. That "education" does not save someone's life or protect their rights now |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I still don't see how new laws, that even you question |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Right....let's just do nothing, shall we? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
123. and it ain't a new law. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Maybe you should think long and hard. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. ??? Go on...... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. are you against current hate crime statutes |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yes, criminalizing thoughts is wrong. I lobbied |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. a hate crime is a civil right violation |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Correct, that's why we don't need more legislation. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. except gays aren't covered under those laws |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Those laws are unnecessary as well. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Too bad most people don't think that |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. What is to be gained by these laws? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. These laws have cut down on lynchings of African Americans |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Lynchings stopped well before hate crime legistlation |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
77. But not incidents of being dragged behind a redneck pickup truck. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. Thats quite a flaming non-sequiter you have there |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. They have life imprisonment, and they have tried to get that changed already |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. I think education has done more |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. Well, let's just all wait until you educate the offending minority |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. among other things it would send a message |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. How would that be a different message |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
79. How many white men are murdered because they are white men? |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. There are no accurate statistics on hate crimes |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Isn't a hate crime itself rather capriciously applied? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. If someone needs to hear that |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. Nor will any pretense of education while hundreds of |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
88. What specifically is going to be lost? The gay panic defense? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #88 |
172. "gay panic defense" IS bullshit. But how does this |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Really? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Then the fight should be taken there. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
93. Let's tell the thousands of future victims that maybe someday |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. On a side note... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
76. You sure seem real trusting of the status quo |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. And also, I don't think those laws protect anything. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
42. Concur |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
109. Yep |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. What kind of "freedom of thought?" |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. That's just ridiculous |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. How, exactly, is the motive criminalized? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Ummm... my thoughts won't be criminalized |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #133 |
150. Yes I do. Because I have not seen anything which indicates |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #150 |
170. I can totally respect your views and for the most part agree |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #120 |
173. YES |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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ronhardy (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. The Right-Wing Hates Gays |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. I don't doubt that, but what does that have to do with this? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
91. That's right. . .and we have to protect the Right's entitlement to hate |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. We need to fix our justice system, not simply create bandaid laws. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Right on. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. One constitutional amendment |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
94. Almost. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. We've tried that route in this country, and it hasn't worked. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. We tried energy conservation, too. Should we not bother with it now? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. And doing NOTHING will not change the misapplication of the laws either. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #122 |
137. I haven't suggested doing "NOTHING" yet. YOU are the one who keeps saying that. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #137 |
151. Terrorism was suggested in a Florida court case by the prosecutor |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:35 AM Response to Reply #137 |
174. The op seems blinded by rage. May he heal. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
95. Hi, Year 3052! This is 2007! Can We Talk? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Current laws aren't working so you think making more will? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Got One, Thanks! Here's One for You: |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #98 |
106. Apparently not to them. . .adding gay people is an outrage |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. No, you didn't get it. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. When you get around to using the laws to protect all citizens, |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. When did I tell "your people" to keep dying, or anything else for that matter? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. Do you have something to support that contention? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #132 |
142. OK, when you want to stop distorting what I've said, maybe we'll talk. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #110 |
121. Couldn't Hurt |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #121 |
131. How can you be more equal than "all citizens?" |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #131 |
143. Hate to Cut Things Short |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #131 |
165. "All citizens" doesn't include the ones who one group claims is |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #121 |
144. I suspect some of the passion on the other side is |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. And why aren't those current laws working? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. That wasn't my assertion, it the person I was responding to who said that. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. hahaha...but...but we have to protect their right to BELIEVE |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #103 |
154. STILL, you're problem is with the JUSTICE SYSTEM, not the laws as written. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
18. Another video link warning graphic language and very moving |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. Just in case anyone needs a reminder why hate crimes legislation should be passed |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
68. I hate to run, but I've got things to do. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
70. If You're Against This Legislation, You're Against Equal Rights for Gays. PERIOD. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Exactly. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
102. Sure is. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
101. BULL FUCKING SHIT |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. That's For Sure |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. How do you know I'm not gay, black or Jewish? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Oh, My Sweet Lamb |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Oh. I get it. So, you HATE white male Christians because they beat gays? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
125. I Don't Hate Groups. I Hate Individuals. And Carrot Cake. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. It's not okay to kill ANY men. That's not unreasonable. And it's already LAW! |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #130 |
168. Maybe that's so? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 02:53 AM Response to Reply #112 |
167. You already have that special protection. It's in the law now. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. When you start being targeted simply because you are a man |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #113 |
124. You can make the same argument about ANY "class" of people. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 02:40 AM Response to Reply #124 |
166. I think I'm perfectly capable of expressing myself, thank you. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
118. Now that I've let it go for a couple of posts... |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #118 |
126. But the proposed laws DON'T create a special class of citizen. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. That is total nonsense. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. Sexual Orientation Covers Heterosexuality, Too. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. If you're out walking in West Hollywood and ANYONE scratches you silly... |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Please address the point of your erroneous assertion of some "super gay-citizen" |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. No can do. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. The other poster pointed out, by example, your misconception that straight people wouldn't... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Just the opposite...in the name of intellectual honesty, I am 100% right about the law. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. BTW, is your world populated only by 97 pound twinks? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. WTF are you talking about? And WTF does that have to do with protection under the law? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. So then, answer my question. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. I never said any such thing and this line of discussion is bizarre. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. AS MUCH AS I HATE TO ADMIT IT?! That's ALL I've been saying! |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Ha! Nice try. Under the hate crimes laws too. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #160 |
163. Okay, you've officially lost me. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #129 |
135. Beside your name calling, can you address the point that the laws don't .... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. Name calling? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. LOL. Maybe they should take an equal amount of the money spent on anti-gay crime and burn it? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. Jesus H. Christ! |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. Sorry. Like the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion.... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. You're just full of shit now, King. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #155 |
158. Spare me the feigned indignation. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #158 |
162. No, you have just refused to acknowledge that I showed you. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #162 |
164. I didn't call you a fundie parrot. Stop waisting my time with that bullshit. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:24 AM Response to Reply #148 |
169. Uh....you have to be kidding. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
108. Kick |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
116. Hate crimes are the equivalent to community terrorism |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
159. As someone who works in the criminal justice field, I am completely opposed |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Do you want to post a reason or should we guess? n/t |
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