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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:01 PM Original message |
Poll question: People who want the Democratic Party to move left: how can it be done? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Move more of the voting population to the left |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. A majority already are to the left of the Democrats on many issues. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Look at the media editorials on the candidates this year |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. That is true. The MSM must be defeated, but the internet |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's the same |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. The two big factions I see as going for one and three |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. Get progressive precinct committeemen. |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
6. The word "left" denotes some super bullshit the corporacrats imposed upon the populace. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Don't be led around by your fucking nose. Left is only an oppressive word if you want it to be |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. You are incapable of telling me what is or is not great and beautiful. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You're arguing about the inadequacy of the word "left" to denote a whole political ideology |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. There is a world beyond "political ideology". If you don't get that,... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. How do you describe a shift in political ideology without using its terms? |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. DING DING DING! Sicksicksick_N_tired, you're our grand prize winner! |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. Same old Same Old EVERY ELECTION....and nothing changes but we lose...or win with "small margin." |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. work to convince voters to support candidates locally who share that point of view |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. cash! |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. We can't compete with the right for media and corporate influence on their terms |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. what we need, then, |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. We need to make it personal and important, rather than endlessly superficial |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. fair enough. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Now's when we start our own competetive media empire, Uly |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. :D - you're highlighting my point, though. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. $ is a huge problem. As for unity, FDR kept his Solid South by mostly sidestepping racism |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. so we're fucked for money, we may have to screw an essential |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Hmmm. How many ways can I say "I don't know?" |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. if you're going to call me and my tedious theorizing out, |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I was referring to mine, that you've rightly pointed out so often. Sorry if it wasn't clear. :-D |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I understood you. was making a reference to my own tendencies |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Well, I'm going to apply for a part-time internship in a representative or party office |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. ok. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No idea. It couldn't hurt, at least! |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. that's true. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Actually, it did take decades running for the school board |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Don't leave out the role of think tanks--GOP ascendancy is traceable from the Powell Manifesto |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I actually meant the DLC. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
20. Economic chickens coming home to roost |
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fed-up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
21. NO MORE donations ($$$$$ or time)/or votes to the CORPORATE WHORE WAR MONGERS....nt |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
22. there is no such thing as "working within the party;" the only thing that matters is votes and elect |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. If that were true, there would just be candidates and voters |
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Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
26. Darned if I know, which is a shame, because |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. I can't believe "deny them our votes" is winning. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
29. Alienate the Dem in the center, forcing them into the Republican Party. Works every time! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
32. Vote issues, not party or politicians. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Without the strategic organization of a party, the best issues will go nowhere |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Sanders, I assume, votes with the Democrats when he agrees with them. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Well I think party loyalty is less due to some moralistic bond than that of partners in crime |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
33. All of the above, despite the apparent paradox. - n/t |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
34. I'd say two and three ....... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Three may take just as long as two, that's correct |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. I'd say the so-called leadership needs to recognize |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. But will they recognize the left's absence? And will they identify the reasons for that absence? |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. No, they don't have the political conviction or integrity to cultivate their left base |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. The GOP base can be pacified by moral issues that don't matter to the money/power centers of the US |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. They see GOP victories and try to copy them |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. They don't know how, and I think all I've proved is that I don't know either |
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