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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:52 PM
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Kerry on Supreme Court Ruling on School Diversity
Kerry on Supreme Court Ruling on School Diversity:

“Today the Court ruled against all of our children and against our ideals. This mistake hits especially close to home in Massachusetts where twenty towns could be affected. Schools across our state are working to level the playing field and offer all of our children a good education, regardless of race. Metco has been a Massachusetts success story and national model, and it’s beyond unacceptable for Metco to be threatened by a horrific decision by the Supreme Court.


This decision is a terrible blow to civil rights in our country, and a disturbing reminder why we filibustered Samuel Alito’s nomination to the Supreme Court in the first place. This decision has turned Brown vs. Board of Education’s promise of fairness and opportunity for all upside down. This is, simply, overheated ideological and judicial activism run amok, and our state and everyone who believes in equal opportunity have work ahead to ensure that progress is not reversed.”



Time to "start thinking about how to deal with the new era of wingnut judicial activism"
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:54 PM
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1. Here is Hillary's.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:58 PM
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2. So glad she fought so hard with Kerry on that Alito filibuster.
She has some nerve complaining about the rulings when she wouldn't fight to stop him. Oh she'd vote for appearance' sake, but FIGHT? No way. Better to keep her powder dry.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:00 PM
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4. distortion.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:28 PM
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5. Not a distortion. Schumer originally opposed the idea. Hillary had no choice.
Read the articles at the link in the OP.

January 28th, 2006 5:44 am

Clinton to support filibuster

Says she'll join Sen. Kerry in blocking Alito's nomination, putting her at odds with top Democrats

By Glenn Thrush / Newsday

WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday announced she'll join potential 2008 presidential rival John Kerry in voting to filibuster against Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito, just as top Democratic leaders predicted the effort is likely doomed.

With three Democratic senators pledging support for Alito, the New Jersey conservative seems virtually assured of being confirmed by the full Senate Monday or Tuesday, party leaders predicted Friday. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters in Washington that "everyone knows" Senate Democrats couldn't muster the 40 votes needed to support a last-ditch filibuster.

"History will show that Judge Alito's nomination is the tipping point against constitutionally-based freedoms and protections we cherish as individuals and as a nation," Clinton wrote in a statement during a fundraising stop in Seattle.

Several senators had urged their colleagues to filibuster this week, but Clinton wasn't among them, Capitol Hill aides said.

Her move seems to put her at odds with New York's senior senator, Charles Schumer, who spent last week privately arguing that a filibuster would damage Democrats' chances of taking back the Senate this year, according to party sources.

Analysts said Clinton had little choice but to back the filibuster, given Kerry's Thursday announcement that he was reviving the stop-Alito movement. For all the talk of Clinton's shift to the center on abortion, she can ill-afford to let a possible adversary outflank her on the left among liberals who favor abortion rights, according to Jennifer Duffy, who monitors the Senate for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

"It's an empty gesture," Duffy said of Clinton's announcement. "What Democratic primary voter is going to vote for her if she didn't do everything to oppose Alito? ... She had to join John Kerry."

In addition to Kerry and Reid, Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said they too would vote no on closing debate, even as they conceded their efforts would likely come up short.

Liberal and abortion rights groups have been bombarding senators' offices, infuriated that Democrats haven't done more to block Alito's confirmation.

Several other Democrats, including Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) and Kent Conrad (D- N.D.), agree with Schumer that a filibuster could alienate middle-of-the-road Democrats in this year's midterm elections.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:15 PM
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41. Behind the scenes they were jerking us around and undermining Kerry and Kennedy.
We all WATCHED IT HAPPEN as we at DU worked our asses off to contact every Senator and pressure them.

Those behind the scenes angry that there WAS a filibuster attempt made it easy for those senators voting against it.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:59 PM
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48. Yep! n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 11:04 PM
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49. Senator Kerry knew what the right thing to do was. He took on the challenge even though he was
attacked for doing so. That was leadership. Many others that went along after the fact, did so reluctantly and only because they were pushed into doing the right thing. Senator Kerry could see what was coming. Too bad others tried to marginalize and attack him.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:14 AM
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56. Hill does know how to calculate
yes she do.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 02:58 PM
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3. Kick. Hello?
Kinda important.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:32 PM
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:42 PM
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8. What amazes me (although I guess it shouldn't) is how obvious their disinterest is.
And this is huge.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:43 PM
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9. Yup, and yup.
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walnutpie Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:43 PM
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10. Maybe I don't understand the nature of the debate
but wouldn't taking race out consideration help students compete equally?

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:46 PM
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11. ROFLMAO!!! Boy, it's like whack-a-mole.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:50 PM
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13. Yeah, 'cause brown people are just so privileged in the US.
:eyes:

Keep working at it, you'll make first string one of these days. Kudos for the spelling and grammar, but you need to work on stealth.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:52 PM
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14. You're not serious???!!!! This is the most racist country on the planet! Please! The racists are
just chompin' at the bit to turn away poor kids, black kids, Asian kids, Hispanic kids from their doors. Why do you think Brown v. Board of Education ruling existed in the first place? Because there's no racism in this country?:eyes:
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:22 PM
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58. No ...
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 03:23 PM by BearSquirrel2
No we're the most DIVERSE country on the planet. And because of our diversity these problems confront us much more than in other nations.

All the rulings the court handed down are contortions of logic to fit a ideological agenda. This interpretation of the 14th amendment is about as bad as the one that makes corporations into people. It says that we cannot consider a person's circumstance in an effort to provide them with an appropriate education. What the justices seem to be saying is that the ONLY thing that can be used is addresses and test scores. If you look at the addresses and test scores, you'll find that it is the affluent kids who are doing the best. If you look at who the affluent kids are, you'll find they're mostly white.

So yes, the principle may be correct. We shouldn't sort people by race. But that is EXACTLY what society does and the efforts of these schools is to try to REMIX them.

I think the school districts should respond by assigning kids to school at random. That will guarantee the racial diversity they're after without considering race. In the end this country must address the awful educational disparities propagated by economic segregation which is the key predictor to success. Poor kids should have the same educational funding as rich kids. Only then will they have equal protection under the law.





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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:57 PM
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16. "Maybe" you don't understand the nature of the debate?
Please go learn what racism is. Then learn how it controls this country and the motives of most of the people living in it. Then perhaps you can contribute to the debate.
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walnutpie Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:00 PM
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17. But if race is not considered
how could anyone be turned away based on race? I don't get it.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:01 PM
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18. Not maybe--you don't understand the nature of the debate.
Wonder with your DU record how long it will be before you jump into the thread again.

RJ is a bit backlogged at keeping the second string sharp right now. He'll get back to you as soon as possible.

Don't hold your breath.

On second thought, do.
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walnutpie Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:07 PM
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19. Apparently I have said something to upset you
or perhaps you are confusing me with someone else; I don't have much of a record at DU having recently joined.

My question remains unanswered, if race is removed from consideration, how could it be used against a student?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:11 PM
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20. I have the benefit of the search function. Thanks for playing. nt
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walnutpie Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:15 PM
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21. This is surreal
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:47 PM
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29. It's incrementalism...
...walnutpie...to undermine previously settled law on issues the RW wants to get rid of: Brown vs. Board of Education, Roe v. Wade, etc. That's why Roberts and Alito were nominated by Bush...to change the balance on the Supreme Court and reverse YEARS of work on the issues of racism (integration) and minority rights (women's right to choose). Read up! We need you. :)
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:18 PM
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22. for your edification, google "plessy v ferguson"
and "brown v board"



that's for starters
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walnutpie Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:20 PM
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23. In those cases, race was a consideration
This decision appears to remove race from consideration. It does not overturn Brown or Plessy, if anything, it is in agreement.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:22 PM
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24. i thought you weren't sure of the nature of the debate
brown overturned plessy.
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walnutpie Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:25 PM
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25. I guess I'm not then
my point is, I don;t see how removing race from consideration is a bad thing. If anything it would eliminate the potential for racisim to influence admission.

If race is not indicate on an application, there would be nothing to dioscriminate against. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of student applications every year, if race is not considered, it seems to me that everyone wins.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:29 PM
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26. walnut, you may not understand the gravity of the situation
what the supreme court did was reverse the cornerstone ruling which more or less provided the basis for the civil rights movement in the US in the 20th century.

they have essentially rewritten history and have given judicial justification to the idea that racism does not exist, when in fact racism CORRUPTS ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF OUR AMERICAN CULTURE.

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walnutpie Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:42 PM
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44. I'm just trying to figure this whole thing out
the last thing I want is for anyone to be mad at me for asking questions.

Could someone walk me though how removing race from consideration of the application process translates into racisim? I have been trying to understand this but so far all it has gotten me are insults and one very Kaflaesq acusation.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:31 PM
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28. So are you ok with
an all black school on one side of town and an all white school on the other?
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 11:36 PM
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51. Hey walnutpie I understand your thinking. If you are a white and middle class American you
went to a good school in a good neighborhood. But children who lived poor neighborhoods went to schools who could not afford the essentials for a proper education (including teachers who were truely qualified). This inequality led to the legal idea that all children should have equal access to a good education. On the social side of the argument is the idea that our children should grow up in a society where they learn tolerance and even acceptance of people who are equally intelligent and talented and are of other ethnic and racial groups. So, the law was passed that schools should be racially and ethnically integrated. Now, to remove race or ethnicity from consideration for a student body means that we'll have poor children (albeit intelligent and talented) attending poor schools. And rich white children attending neighborhood schools who can afford the best classrooms, teachers, gyms, computer rooms, and opportunities for excelled education. This because our schools are funded mainly by resident taxes. Rich neighborhoods can afford better schools and poor neighborhoods can barely afford to keep their schools open. The question was "where is the equal opportunity for a good education?" Today's ruling puts us back where we started in the 1950's and again creates the gap between ethnic and racial neighborhoods whose schools are either rich or poor; and whose opportunity for a good education and the development of racial and ethnic tolerance is doubtfull.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:25 PM
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59. Ahhh yes but ...

Ahhh yes, but we can still consider the "prestige" of the high school or college they came from. Like it or not this is a race predictor and under the courts own ruling, illegal. I am thoroughly convinced that the court implicitly struck down all selection for admission into educational programs. Lets wait and see if anyone follows up based on this ruling.

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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:25 PM
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57. I guess you, like Colbert - are colorblind. He of course is sarcastic, you -
simply blind.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:58 PM
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35. Point of order question here
Doesn't Brown v. Board supercede this crap?
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:17 PM
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37. the decision today more or less reverses brown
yes, reverses brown.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:22 PM
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38. ....
:cry: And we (collectively) are just standing idly by while they dismantle Civil Rights.
Sadly enough, if the media doesn't report it, people don't know about it.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:36 PM
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63. the media's got thier hands full
with the release of the iphone and Paris' release from the clink

:mad:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:36 PM
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7. I say load the court to 13 members it is the only legal way
or have Putin invite the catholics out to dinner in London.

The other alternative is the state legislatures.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:57 PM
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34. That's the only way out of this quagmire without actually impeaching
Justices.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:17 PM
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42. heheh....I almost don't want to laugh.....
but had to.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:47 PM
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12. See? Their votes DO HAVE CONSEQUENCES and this is just ONE of many to come.
What an OUTRAGEOUS ruling!

What I worry about now is Stevens surviving until after the '08 election. Not that Kennedy has been much help lately.:grr:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 03:57 PM
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15. K&R
Because I care about affirmative action. :kick:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:29 PM
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27. K&R
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:47 PM
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30. what frightens me
SCOTUS right is pretty young
SCOTUS left is pretty old.

Things may get much worse.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:49 PM
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31. Well, we need to draft a bill that will pass the scrutiny of the Supreme Court now.
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 04:50 PM by Major Hogwash
These are dark days, my friends. Truely dark days.
We have stepped into "the wayback machine" and we find ourselves back in 1953.
This Supreme Court has turned back the clock on us.
Now we need to write a new bill that will pass their scrutiny.
I don't know who will be the one to write such a bill, but I hope Kerry is a co-sponsor of it.

Kerry is a smart man, maybe he can write a bill that talks of quotas without actually using the term "quotas."

Nah, we don't need that.
We need to call it what it is - quotas.
And we need to stand up for quotas, because that is what is fair.
We need to talk truth to power, and we need to talk about the truth.
And the truth is, conservatives have made the term "quotas" sound like something that is dirty and wrong, just like they did to the term "liberal."
Well, I'm a liberal, and I'm here standing up and saying, "There's nothing wrong with quotas."
We need quotas to be fair to others who have been wronged by previous centuries of discrimination.
If they don't like quotas, tough.

May god help us.

We sure as hell know the Republicans won't!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:52 PM
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32. Supreme Court Ruling on School Diversity: Everyone must become a WASP.
Sieg heil.


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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:56 PM
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33. Tyler, Texas is a great example of a town that is still segregated
A friend of mine (who happens to be Black) lives in a traditionally "white" neighborhood, thus her kids go to a traditionally "white" school.
When her son was younger, she was concerned about the influence of an all-white society on a young black boy and asked the school district if she could move him to a more racially equal school.
They wouldn't let her.
He was their "token" and they weren't letting him go.
This is a very sad day for those kids who suffered through segregation across the country, especially in the South, only to have idealogues reverse progress.
I bet Chief Justice Warren is turning about in his grave.
K&R
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:00 PM
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36. Impeach!
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 05:16 PM by Hubert Flottz
Robert Byrd said..."In response, Judge Alito told me that he respected the separation of powers and would not rule in support of a power-hungry President. I liked that answer, and I liked Judge Alito. He struck me as a man of his word, and I intend to vote for him." MORE...

http://byrd.senate.gov/newsroom/news_jan/alito.html

Is our senators learning?



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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:33 PM
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39. Does this mean Thomas voted himself off the court?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:02 PM
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40. K & R. Sickening. But no surprise from these neocon-loving tools n/t
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:19 PM
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43. Of all places, many cities in NC have the right idea
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 06:19 PM by dsc
We have county wide school districts and have been using economics, not race, to try to equalize schools. It isn't a perfect standin but it is a decent approximation. My district has a rule that no more than 40% of a school can be on free or reduced lunch. That helps at least a little.

It didn't take Nostradamus to see this coming and I can only hope districts will do what they can in this regard.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:32 PM
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61. The 14th amendment provides equal protection to ALL persons ...

The 14th amendment says NADA about race. It talks about people. So a school district sorting by socioeconomic status could also be considered unconstitutional under this ruling. You see rich kids who can afford their lunch have just as much right to the school with all the resources as poor black kids.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:05 PM
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45. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:07 PM
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46. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:42 PM
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47. Justice Breyer: "Rarely in the history of the court have so few undone so much so quickly."
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 11:34 PM
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50. i got sick when i read the news of this
of course it should be expected considering the court change. but ughhh.

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:00 AM
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52. *stands*
:applause:
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:00 AM
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53. This is like a bad movie that everybody thinks can't happen in real life.
But is has happened.

They use misleading language. This "removing race from consideration" is BS! It's like when Bush calls something "Clean Air" when it is anything but.

We need a dictionary of conservative translations.

Clean Air: more pollution
Heck of a job: a screw-up
Removing race from consideration: removing obstacles to segregation


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 06:47 AM
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54. SCOTUS on a roll, repeal 100-year-old antitrust law.
From Lawyers Guns, and Money:

Still, this decision is obviously very problematic whether or not the economic theory underlying it is correct. Breyer explains it well, but there is a very strong presumption of stare decisis in statutory cases, and this case is an excellent illustration of why. The Court created a bright-line, easily applied rule in 1911. If Congress thought that the Court had distorted its intent it's had roughly 100 years to modify the statute and correct the Court. Moreover, the affected interests here are not (to put it mildly) the kind of disempowered minorities who might lack fair access to the political process. It doesn't make the rule clearer -- which might justify a departure from stare decisis -- but in fact makes it less clear and harder to apply.


From Corrente:

Tell me again why we regard the Bush Court as any more legitimate than Cheney’s fourth branch of government?

UPDATE Another way of looking at this is that the Bush Court just took $1000 out of my pocket and gave it to the corps:

During a 38-year period from 1937 to 1975 that Congress permitted the states to adopt laws allowing retail price fixing , economists estimated that such agreements covered about 10 percent of consumer good purchases. In today’s dollars, Justice Breyer estimated that the agreements translated to a higher annual average bill for a family of four of about $750 to $1,000.

Tell me again about those tax cuts, Dear Leader! Your stories make me feel so warm and comfy!


Breyer's dissent

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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:36 PM
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64. Yes, and do you get a feeling what will happen when Comcast challenges net neutrality ...

The net neutrality bill will pass. And given that the Democrats can hammer the Republicans on this, it can likely survive Bush's seldom used veto pen.

However, what do you think will happen to it once the SCOTUS gets a hold of it? These are not men of law. They are fascists masquerading as jurists.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 10:00 AM
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55. No More Roberts or Alitos?

No More Roberts or Alitos?

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Supreme Court
Posted on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:16:01 AM EST

E.J. Dionne, in a "closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out" column, argues that the Senate should:

Just say no. The Senate's Democratic majority -- joined by all Republicans who purport to be moderate -- must tell President Bush that this will be their answer to any controversial nominee to the Supreme Court or the appellate courts. The Senate should refuse even to hold hearings on Bush's next Supreme Court choice, should a vacancy occur, unless the president reaches agreement with the Senate majority on a mutually acceptable list of nominees.


With all due respect to Dionne, that is a fine sentiment and I agree with it, but it does not undo the damage done. When "idiot liberals" like me were urging filibusters of Roberts, and especially, Sam Alito (who unlike Roberts, was not a stealth candidate, anyone who wanted to could see what he would do), we were told to be "realistic" and that Democrats needed to "keep their powder dry." Indeed, the entire fight over the "nuclear option" was made a bad joke by the capitulation of Senate Democrats on Alito.


Too many "reasonable" Democrats, law professors and court watchers (people like Cass Sunstein and Jeffrey Rosen come to mind with all their blather about "minimalism") chose to ignore the obvious. They all wanted to keep their "serious" credentials intact.

It was a moment of complete disconnect at the time and personally, I was despondent at the time that no one seemed to get it.

But the fall of 2005 and January of 2006, when the Democrats "kept their powder dry," will be with us for decades. There is no undoing that. That said, Dionne's admonitions are welcome, if late.



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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:36 PM
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62. Great point - the left journalists didn't help those Dems taking a stand at all, and instead
let the undermining of their efforts by the Dem powerstructure lead their narrative on it.

FOCK THEM - the same left journalists wondering why should look in the mirror and take a focking bow.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:29 PM
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60. Question: Why did Roberts and Alito turn out so conservative? Answer: Partisan entrenchment
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:42 PM
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71. Kick! n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 04:19 PM
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65. I am a teacher in Louisville, Kentucky and the so-called lawyer, who
took this to the Supreme Court, is insisting today that the school system immediately change or be considered in contempt of court. As a big school system with a brand new superintendent, immediate compliance would be virtually impossible. Jefferson County Board of Education's plans are at least one year ahead so a new course of action would be hard to set in motion this school year. IMHO this is a terrible ruling. I teach where many students are bussed in so that there is diversity. The different races of students get along, work together, play sports together, date and certainly care for each other. As a teacher I am appalled at the backwardness of this decision. Our schools also use the model, which may offset some of the detriment; we have magnets, which draw interested students from other sections of town. For example, one high school might have a nursing magnet and another communications (radio and tv) and another the arts, etc. So for Louisville the impact may be less than in other locales.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 04:23 AM
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68. As a white graduate of Pasadena High School in Pasadena, CA...
I feel your pain. I have also worked as a summer school worker in Honolulu since then, so I have seen diversity work too...

Pasadena, California
In 1970 a federal court ordered the desegregation of the public schools in Pasadena, California. At that time, the proportion of white students in those schools reflected the proportion of whites in the community, 54% and 53%, respectively. After the desegregation process began, large numbers of whites in the upper and middle classes who could afford it pulled their children from the integrated public school system and placed them into private schools instead. As a result, by 2004 Pasadena became home to sixty-three private schools, which educated one-third of all school-aged children in the city, and the proportion of white students in the public schools had fallen to 16%. The superintendent of Pasadena's public schools characterized them as being to whites "like the bogey-man,"<2> and mounted policy changes, including a curtailment of busing, and a publicity drive to induce affluent whites to put their children back into public schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing#Pasadena.2C_California
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:20 PM
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66. Kick! n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:40 PM
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67. ttt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 04:32 PM
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69. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 10:57 AM
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70. Kick! n/t
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 05:43 PM
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72. Rethinking the Alito Nomination
In January 2006, Senator John Kerry launched a doomed last-minute effort to filibuster Sam Alito’s Supreme Court nomination. He was blasted for needless grandstanding (which wasn’t a baseless charge – Kerry at the time was clearly running for President in ’08 and desperate to make friendly with the party’s grassroots), the filibuster was killed on a 72-25 vote, and Alito was confirmed shortly thereafter.

In the minority at the time, Democrats only had the votes to kill the nomination through a filibuster, and a main reason why there was so little enthusiasm for one was the assumption that if Alito went down, President Bush would just send up another conservative. He’s the duly elected President, it’s his call, elections have consequences, blah blah blah. (There was also fear of a public backlash, given polling results at the time.)

But, given the decisive shift to the right that Alito spurred by replacing Sandra Day O’Connor, it’s fair to ask whether Kerry’s point was legitimate...


http://www.nyobserver.com/2007/rethinking-alito-nomination
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 07:43 PM
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73. "It just creates incoherence in the law"

"It just creates incoherence in the law"

Speaking at ACS' Supreme Court Review, former U.S. Solicitor General Walter Dellinger criticizes Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito for contradicting precedents without overtly admitting to "overturning" a prior decision:

(Video)
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