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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:18 PM
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But, Whatever happened to "Sealed vs Sealed"?
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 08:19 PM by Wiley50
OK So Leopold may or may not be now re-legitamized by uncovered redactions in the court records

Story here by DemReadingDU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1213077&mesg_id=1213077

And here by Lerkfish:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1213974

And Now, ffrom Truth2Tell:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1215217


But I've Heard NO ONE say ANYTHING about "SEALED VS SEALED"

An indictment that ACTUALLY was handed down and then DISSAPPEARED

So, What and Who was it?

Read about it here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sealed+vs+Sealed%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:31 PM
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1. One of those mysteries like the redacted pages of the 911 commission.
Or maybe the anthrax sent to the now cowered press and spineless Democrats.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:31 PM
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2. I should point out that by asking people to apologize for how he was treated
is not the same as saying I have proof he was correct, but rather, that the ugly treatment he got was for something that was a lot closer to correct than people gave him credit for.

I still think its highly possible that he or his sources were correct, but that a backroom deal preempted that.

Its not like the DOJ has a history of shenanigans, or anything. :sarcasm:
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:36 PM
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4. i, truely, understand that, Lerkfish, and concur with you
But you neglected to voice an opinion on "sealed vs sealed"

which is why I started yet another thread on this topic

we need to track this sucker down
to know what really happened

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:39 PM
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6. It would only be my opinion
but I think it was likely Rove.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:47 PM
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9. Me 2 n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:33 PM
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3. Sealed v Sealed
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:46 PM
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8. Thanks malaise
knew you would be there

But what do you think about it?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:38 PM
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5. But, Whatever happened to "Sealed vs Sealed"?
It's still sealed. ;-)
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:44 PM
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7. OK...........
What, Who and, most importantly

WHY?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:06 PM
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11. Only Fitzgerald and the Indictee knows. n/t
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:04 PM
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10. I'm hoping Leopold will write up a conclusion
and let us all know the facts to 'sealed vs sealed'
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:16 PM
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12. Sealed vs Sealed is interesting to be sure....
It may well be in no way connected with the Fitzgerald investigation as the court dealt with many more cases at the time than just the Plame case but I must say I find this info there are 2 pages of still redacted material in the opinion re-released today and those pages relate to Rove and the area of perjury.

Here is info on the two pages from Marcy Wheeler:

As I said earlier, the most interesting part of the Tatel opinion is the two-page section that remains redacted (thanks again to Jeralyn for making the opinion available), explaining why Fitzgerald suspects Rove perjured himself in his testimony about Novak and Cooper. I believe that section includes:

An assertion that Rove lied when he testified that he responded to Novak's story about Plame by saying, "you heard that too?"
A description of some way that Rove's testimony contradicts Novak's description that Rove promised to declassify the CIA report on Wilson's trip
A description of Rove's presumably changing testimony about Cooper--and possibly a description about the magically rediscovered Rove-Hadley email
A description of one more piece of involvement on the part of Cheney

much more

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/06/the-two-redacte.html

Marcy does not mention Sealed vs Sealed so I don't want to tie the two but I do find this an interesting dot among many that might be connected.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:24 PM
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13. A sealed indictment would be "United States v. Sealed," not "Sealed v. Sealed."
Got that?
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:30 PM
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14. Nevertheless, it exists and that embodies the question
do read the links

it doesn't feel like you have
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:33 PM
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15. Actually, according to Jeralyn, there is such a case entitled
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 09:34 PM by Spazito
sealed v sealed otherwise known as Sealed case 128:

Yes, there has been a sealed case 06cr00128 styled Sealed v. Sealed on the District Court's docket (available through Pacer) since it was filed on May 17. It says "no further information is available" or something like that. It is still sealed, I've checked several times since then. If my handwritten notes are correct, it's the only District Court criminal case filed between May 9 (case 122) and May 18 (case 131) that remains sealed.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/06/13/128/87994

Here is Jeralyn Merritt's bio:

Jeralyn E. Merritt is criminal defense attorney in Denver representing persons accused of serious federal and state offenses. She served as one of the principal trial lawyers for Timothy McVeigh in the Oklahoma City Bombing Case.

snip

She lectures nationally on a variety of legal and political topics and has been a cable television legal analyst since 1996, most frequently appearing on MSNBC and Fox News. A more detailed list of appearances is available here.

http://www.talkleft.com/special/Jeralyn

Edited to correct typo
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