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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 06:35 AM
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"Lack of Women in Eastern Germany Feeds Neo-Nazis"
"A new study has found that many more women are leaving economically moribund Eastern Germany. The result is a new, frustrated and largely male underclass. And many of them find succor in the neo-Nazi scene"

"The problem has been well known for years: Ever since the mid-1990s, young Eastern Germans have been fleeing the region due to a lack of economic opportunity, hoping to find jobs in the western part of the country. Some 1.5 million have already left the region -- roughly 10 percent of the population of East Germany when the Berlin Wall fell. Even worse, most of those who leave are under 35 and many of them have above average education or training.

But according to a new study released by the Berlin Institute for Population and Development, there is another problem that accompanies the migration. Since 1991, more than two-thirds of all those who have left Eastern Germany have been women. The result is that in many towns in the region, there are simply not enough to go around -- some places are missing up to 25 percent of their young women. Even worse, the young men who stay behind are often poorly educated, unemployed and frustrated -- perfect fodder for neo-Nazi groups looking for members."

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"In general," the study finds, "right-wing radical parties receive more votes in those areas where the most young women have left."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,485942,00.html


-A controversial article, but useful for those interested in the resurgence of the far-right in Europe.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 06:39 AM
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1. Interesting. I've always said that polygamy leads to large groups
of young men with no sexual partners and unrest. The men who can't afford to have wives because the rich men take them all, form gangs and create civil unrest. In Germany it has taken a new twist.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 06:41 AM
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2. So what happens in China & India?
Those countries have a huge surplus male population. All I know is, I'm glad we're not right next to them.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 07:01 AM
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4. Agree about the 'surplus' male population
but they don't have a history of Nazism AFAIK. Plus India is too ethnically diverse for a single group to claim the title of being superior or chosen or whatever.

On the other hand, the gender deficit might lead to an increase in internal strife and social tension in both nations.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 07:31 AM
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7. I'd be worried if I was Russia.
As these all these men start looking for a woman, it'll be a easy message to hand them a gun, point to the neighboring country, and say "You want a woman, there they are, go get 'em".

I think the Nazism is just a similar reaction. Those guys are susceptible to any message right now.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 06:49 AM
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3. wonder why the young men are undereducated to start with?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 07:16 AM
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5. Agreed. Why? It's been nearly 20 years since the incorporation of East
Germany into West. And I would imagine funding for education was a priority for the federal government.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 08:52 AM
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13. Thank you for not saying 'unification'. You got it right! nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 07:25 AM
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 07:40 AM
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8. Wow, that's offensive
Women actually don't exist for the purpose of giving men a place to "put" their testosterone.

Your willingness to exploit our bodies and give foreign aid in the form of money earmarked for buying and selling of women is not appreciated, not is your notion that the cure for terrorism is for women to make themselves more sexually available.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 07:57 AM
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9. I concur - attributing extremism solely to sexual frustration is somewhat naive
as it neglects a raft of other (more important) factors. I'm surprised at how often I see the "bombard them with porn and see 'em change" (or some variant of it) idea on the net.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 08:48 AM
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12. Yes, that was offensive. nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 08:30 AM
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10. OMG
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 08:35 AM
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11. 'all that testosterone with no place to put it.' - you didn't actually say that, did you?
No, I guess you did...
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:12 AM
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15. Egads, you're not a sexist , racist bigot are you?
:eyes:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:59 AM
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18. Funny, I have testosterone (yes, even as a female) and estrogen
and progesterone and I don't feel the need to turn into a raving, violent lunatic just because I can't get any.

I'm recovering from having a baby - therefore, it's been awhile and neither my husband nor I need to find a place to "put it."

:eyes:
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Joanie Baloney Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:10 AM
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14. A personal observation
My mother and sister were born in Germany. My mother's family home is in Rügen in what used to be Eastern Germany. After the wall came down in 1989, we were finally allowed to visit my aunt and uncle and cousins. One of my cousins, Gerd worked for the Eastern German army during the Cold War. His job was to sit for hours on a bluff overlooking the North Sea coast looking for "enemy" activity. When the cold war ended, his job ended as well. When we saw him, Gerd was jobless and had started to hang out with the other local men who had lost their jobs as well. Some men found work in the construction industry, improving the decaying roads and buildings that had fallen into disrepair since the war. Some women went off to Berlin and other western cities to school. All of Gerd's buddies sat in the local bars waxing nostalgic over the "good ol' days". He had adopted a very scary look - slicked down hair, Hitler moustache and hung out with decidedly unfriendly not-so-neo Nazi types.

Gerd killed himself 5 years later.

I don't know if a woman would have prevented his death or his ideological leanings, but maybe she could have given him some hope.

Sad story.

JB
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:33 AM
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16. Thanks for your input
East Germans have faced Nazism, Stalinism and laissez-faire capitalism in rapid succession. As a socialist with Trotskyite leanings, I consider all three to be destructive (though the last one is a somewhat lesser evil compared to the horrors of the first two)
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:53 AM
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19. oooooh, a trotskyist
here's a joke for you

what do you get when you have one trotskyist?
a cell

what do you get when you have two trotskyists?
a party

what do you get when you have three trotskyists?
a scission
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:08 AM
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20. also
trotsky wanted to crack down on trade unions not associated w/ the bureaucratic apparatus WAY before the revolution got screwed up beyond reason by capitalist intervention and civil war. and he only started paying lip service to open party democracy once he realized stalin was out-maneuvering him

he was no political/intellectual titan à la lenin, just an opportunist of the highest caliber
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:54 AM
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17. wow, looks like reunification really fixed everything right up, didnt it
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