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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:16 PM
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Lieberman goes to the right of RW. National Review says his calls for more surveillance is misquided

Keep The Cameras Away

National Review Online: Lieberman's Support For U.K. Surveillance System Is Misguided

July 6, 2007

(National Review Online) This column was written by Jim Harper.
Senator Joe Lieberman, in the wake of last week's terrorist attack on Glasgow's airport and the foiled plots in London, has proposed expanding the use of surveillance cameras nationwide in the U.S. He cites the effective response of British law enforcement to the attacks, and believes that "we can do it without compromising anybody's real privacy." The senator's intentions are noble, but his proposal is badly flawed.

Surveillance cameras do have forensic value that can help authorities catch suspects after crimes have already been committed. The problem with this is that, for obvious reasons, suicide attackers tend not to worry about being caught afterwards. Antiterrorism strategies should be geared toward prevention; that is how lives are saved. The U.K. contains over 4.2 million surveillance cameras — one for every 14 people — and the Glasgow attackers still eluded detection until it was too late. The only reason there were no fatalities was the attackers' own amateurishness.

In a further blow to the perceived effectiveness of surveillance cameras, Clive Norris of the Sheffield University Centre for Criminological Research testified last year that researchers found that Glasgow crime did not decrease after cameras were installed city-wide. It actually increased by 9 percent.

The senator's proposal for stepping up surveillance has other problems besides ineffectiveness. Corruption could become an issue. This has already happened in a number of U.S. cities that have installed cameras at traffic intersections to deter drivers from running red lights.

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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:20 PM
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1. Lie-berman has lost his tenuous hold on reality.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:21 PM
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2. Go Cheney yourself LIEberman
:grr:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:22 PM
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3. I for one can't WAIT until the Connecticut electorate gets ANOTHER chance to screw America!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:22 PM
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4. if you're in CONNECTICUT
I feel you have to send this to him - if my senator was saying the fascist SHIT that yours is I'd be spending my time on it - I am doing a lot of other things but I hope Conn. freedom lovers are going off on him when they see him this weekend!


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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:27 PM
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5. Bedrock Rethugs don't want surveillance any more than liberals do
That's why Bob Barr and Dick Armey, two former right-wing members of Congress who led the Clinton witch hunt actually joined the ACLU after leaving Congress. What pushed them over the edge? The PATRIOT ACT, of course.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:28 PM
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6. i also find it amusing:
They GENERALLY don't want any Democrat to have these powers, even Lieberman. It's reflexive and will come into full play with a Democrat in the Whitehouse.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:32 PM
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7. Key points
  • The U.K. contains over 4.2 million surveillance cameras — one for every 14 people

  • Glasgow attackers still eluded detection until it was too late

  • Researchers found that Glasgow crime did not decrease after cameras were installed city-wide.

  • It actually increased by 9 percent.


    Don't you just love facts?

    Lieberman should install a camera on each wall of his home. Maybe that way he will be kept from being an idiot??? I doubt it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:46 PM
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8. I don't think lieman
gets enough attention at home. he's reminding me of that other attention starved gook, what's her name? something coulter.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:50 PM
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9. Connecticut, please do what you can to reign in your out of control
senator. He's stepped over the deep end and the rest of us are just sick of him.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:14 PM
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10. I am skeptical about the increase in crime
The reason being that the cameras might have lead to an increase in reported crime as opposed to an increase in crime. For many reasons victims of crimes don't always report them. Some are embarrassed about the crime, others are worried about a secret being exposed that may be related or unrelated to the crime, some feel it isn't worth reporting as it is a low level crime, and there are other reasons. Cameras would impact those reasons since the victim would know the police know about the crime anyhow.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:16 PM
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11. And Kerry says that EDWARDS was a mistaken choice for his VP candidate.
The Democratic Party is destroying ITSELF--the Republicans can just sit back and watch.

Lieberman has become the most disgraceful and traitorous former national-ticket candidate in Democratic history.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:51 PM
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12. Stacy Taylor (AAR's San Diego affiliate) has a new nickname for Lieberman...
Lieberman has become the most disgraceful and traitorous former national-ticket candidate in Democratic history.


"Traitor Joe" :rofl:

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:52 PM
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13. Real privacy? As opposed to virtual privacy?
Edited on Sat Jul-07-07 11:53 PM by Rex
Joe, just shut the fuck up.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:53 PM
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14. Makes me proud.
:patriot:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-08-07 02:49 AM
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15. Wow - it was National Review that helped to get him elected in the first place
He's always been bad but he seems to be getting worse.
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