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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:01 PM
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Sen Snowe calls for binding resolution to bring troops home. breaking MSNBC.
That's 6 republicans in the Senate...isn't it?
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redphish Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:05 PM
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1. I was under the impression that Congress couldn't do that.
Is it possible?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:06 PM
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2. If Congress can declare war, Congress can end war nt
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:23 PM
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48. That's the catch
They didn't declare this one.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:10 PM
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4. cut off the funds
That's what ended Viet Nam....over a couple of years, anyway
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redphish Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:15 PM
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7. I knew they could cut funding.
I didn't think they could force a withdrawal through legislation.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:12 PM
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18. They can if they can override a veto nt
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:07 PM
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3. Ummm... didn't lieberman just hold a fundraiser for her?
bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha

Take the $$$ and run Snowe!

:rofl:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:07 PM
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13. That was the other Maine US Senator, Sue "2 Terms" Collins
And I'll be happily casting my vote for the next US Democratic Senator since George Mitchell, Tom Allen, next year!
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:49 PM
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38. Ugh...
I'm so anxious for lieberman to get his "just desserts" that I'm imagining things.

Thank you for reminding me.

Here's to Tom Allen - - :toast:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:50 PM
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52. Crude question: Anyone know why Susan Collins talks like her medications
need to be turned down a few cc's? I know this is mean, but, is there some medical reason she talks like a drunken pre-school teacher? If so, I apologize to anyone who suffers from her condition.

If not, hasn't anyone ever asked her to talk normal?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:14 PM
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59. Prozac Sue?
Don't know....maybe her brother could tell you. He was busted for moving some serious tonnage of pot years ago. He might be supplying her with the good stuff.

She ran for Congress on the pledge to stay 2 terms. Amazing...another broken promise from a Republican.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:11 PM
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5. Getting hot in the halls of Congress
People are noticing their calendars with that big red circle around "Election Day"
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:10 PM
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15. I'm guessing they heard earfuls from their constituents on the July 4th break
I know I gave my dem rep an earful.

What did he respond?

"not enough votes to impeach...reps in very red districts aren't hearing the same thing."

The fuck they weren't!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:06 PM
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43. that is their only motivation you think those guys are worried
about this country, they are only worried about their own asses.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:12 PM
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6. wow... good for her!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:16 PM
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8. so the Dems are going to let those most responsible for the last 7 years gain
the glory associated with the necessary change?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:20 PM
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9. Don't be thick
we're not bringing the troops home without support from Republicans.

This is a good development.

Do you want the war ended, or do you want credit?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:21 PM
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11. I'm certainly glad but not happy about the pukes taking charge of anything-they did enough
damage.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:25 PM
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12. You really think
Republicans will get credit for ending the war?

Sorry, that's not gonna happen.

We can't end it without their support, and we should be grateful for it.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:21 PM
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47. I am grateful for it, but it still begs the question
Where is our leadership?? Why does it take a Republican to do something binding??


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/479862
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:02 PM
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57. it takes repubs to send a message to chimpy that his next veto might not be sustained
duh.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:20 PM
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10. Who cares as long as it is done.
n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:13 PM
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19. Snowe is one of the good ones. And we need Republican support
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 07:14 PM by LittleClarkie
She's not a neocon. She's mostly not down with their agenda. She has not been one of the ones "most responsible." Besides, you're not going to get what you want if you won't accept their votes and help.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:15 PM
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21. I'm sure the left will help them
Since they don't pay any attention to the Dems who have actually been doing the heavy lifting on ending this war for years.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:20 PM
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46. Mane has lost enough soldiers in this pointless war. Good for her, even if it is
so darned late.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:08 PM
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14. Enough to work around the shit-for-brains Connecticut electorate.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:10 PM
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16. When the dam breaks, it always starts with a trickle.
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 07:11 PM by Old and In the Way
The momentum is quickening....who'll be the last Republican aligned with George Bush on the war without end? Joe Lieberman?
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:22 PM
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25. I hope you're right.
I had the same feeling months back watching the Senate Foreign Relations Committee grilling Sec. of State Rice. It appeared that we'd reached a tipping point with respect to Bush losing support for the war. Sadly, this was followed up with a bunch of aimless nose-picking. Hopefully things will be different this time.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:11 PM
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17. This is the best of both worlds, actually
Democrats don't look "soft on defense" and some Congressional republicsns in 2008 races get to distance themselves from the criminals in the White House. Maybe we'll get an end to the war and not get blamed for caving.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:13 PM
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20. K&R. get to the Greatest. nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:16 PM
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22. The gig is up
Rats are jumping in all directions.
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:17 PM
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23. Wooohooooo!!!!! Let's Get Her To Move To Nevada And Challenge Harry!!
*snark*
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:22 PM
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24. When? The GOP is proposing binding resolution to bring troops home ... someday.
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 07:22 PM by Mass
They will not vote for a binding date, as stated by Lugar, Warner, Domenici, ... (with the possible exception of Hagel).

If Snowe calls for a binding date (rather than a vague "we hope that", that is fine for her. If not, this is just another way to wait and see.

BTW, Feingold-Reid has a binding date. If Snowe proposes her own resolution, it is probably because she opposes a binding date.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:28 PM
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26. Coincidence? DSCC is starting campaign ads against Collins (R-ME)
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1287033

Even though apparently it's Collins that's up for re-election in Maine next year and not Snowe, the Senator may be nervous about going down with Dubya nonetheless.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:36 PM
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27. I know the list so far has:
Snowe, Hagel, Gorden, Lugar, who are the others?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:48 PM
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28. Snowe, Hagel, Smith, Lugar, Gregg, Alexander, Voinovich, Collins.
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 07:49 PM by wienerdoggie
On edit: also Warner and Coleman.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:52 PM
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30. Thanks, so that's nine of them, and 50 of us? 59 so far, of course IF
they vote with us on something? I suggest we offer a bill to implement the ISG as a first step!!! Easily, we get more than 60.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:00 PM
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31. 59--getting close. I agree with implementing the ISG rec's--
No way could GOPers refuse to support that--but it has to be BINDING.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:34 PM
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49. "50 of us"
Did you factor in the Joementum equation in that.....:puke:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:08 PM
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44. who's next ??? maybe Spector???
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:50 PM
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29. Fine and good, but are Repugs setting themselves up to look like the ones who "ended the war?"
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 07:51 PM by marmar
There's a political motivation in everything they do.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:04 PM
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32. Exactly. Something I've been warning about for a long time.
!
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:42 PM
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36. I don't care, as long as we end it.
and in 30 years when they say "We could have won in Iraq had it not been for the Dems" we can remind them there were republicans on our side too.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:52 PM
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39. There's a Political Motivation in Everything OUR Guys Do, Too.
They might be Democrats, but they're still politicians. Not a one of them makes a move without checking with their advisers as to whether it's politically expedient.

The bottom line is, if we want to end the war (and we do), we need them. I'd like to think the American public is JUST smart enough to remember what party got us INTO the war in the first place.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:04 PM
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58. it couldn't be ended without them, so why are you complaining?
They won't get credit. They will be saddled with votes, like the vote to sustain chimpy's veto, that prolonged the war. And if we stop shooting at each other long enough to remember who we should be going after, the public will get the message.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:06 PM
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33. Common denominator in Repugs calling for Iraqi pullout? They're up for re-election!
Why cheer these murderous Republicans who had no problem with our troops dying everyday until their "gamble" proved to be a bad one?

They are not heroes! They are self-serving monsters!
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:13 PM
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34. The people only have a voice
during elections. Sad.
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:28 PM
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51. Sad. And not good enough. eom
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:33 PM
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35. I'm glad she's doing this, but please tell me some Dems thought
of this first! I've not paid close enough attention. Which Dems have also proposed binding resolutions? Feingold? How about the House? Kucinich?

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:44 PM
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37. Republican Incumbent races

Republican Incumbent races

Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Saxby Chambliss of Georgia
Norm Coleman of Minnesota
Susan Collins of Maine
John Cornyn of Texas
Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina
Pete Domenici of New Mexico
Michael Enzi of Wyoming
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma
Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Pat Roberts of Kansas
Jeff Sessions of Alabama
Gordon Smith of Oregon
Ted Stevens of Alaska
John Sununu of New Hampshire
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:50 PM
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40. I'll bet we can take at least 3 of these:
Norm Coleman of Minnesota
Susan Collins of Maine
Pete Domenici of New Mexico
Michael Enzi of Wyoming
Gordon Smith of Oregon
John Sununu of New Hampshire

Write off the south, of course. But Smith and Sununu really should be blue, already. And Collins practically is.

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:03 PM
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41. Domenici now opposes the Iraq war too though, doesn't he?
Frankly, I'd love to see all the enablers of this war out of office, but if he'll help get the votes to end it, lets leave him there.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:28 PM
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50. If there's an R after his name, you can't trust him. They are owned
by the party and cannot survive without it. Period. The party exacts total control, and will kill their own at the first dissenting vote.

Plus, we need a real majority to take away Lieberman's upper hand.

The way the GOP operates, there are no friendly R's.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:57 PM
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56. True that....n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:05 PM
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42. Boy howdy.. those repubes know how to focus the spotlight, don't they?
Before the election happes, the whole idea will be morphed into being THEIR idea, and how the democrats were not strong enough to do it :puke:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:18 PM
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45. I count 13 or 14 calling for a change
Collins Warner Coleman Smith
Snowe Lugar Bennett Alexander
Sunumu Domenici Roberts
Specter Hagel Brownback
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:59 PM
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54. I don't know about Spector
I don't trust him - says one thing votes the opposite. A true dirtbag.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:56 PM
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53. Bravo Senator Snowe!
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:02 PM
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55. ohhhh.. is someone up for reelection?
how sweet.
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