FR: "Hypocrisy better than 'moral relativism'!"

New improved "proud to be a hypocrite" stance on FR, LOL! Hey tell it to Jesus buddy -- he couldn't stand hypocrites any more than I can, and the Freepers are the Pharisees of today!

I’ve come around to realize and made the point that behind the condemnation of ‘hypocrisy’ is moral relativism. Something is either right or wrong, and it doesn't matter if that person engaged in that right or wrong declared “Hey, its okay for me because I said so”.

Moreover, hypocrisy as at least a step up from total amoral nihilism.

I for one am sick and tired of the word ‘hypocrisy’. It’s a much lesser sin than other sins and a liberal nihilist code word for ‘you will be condemned not for what you do, but for what you claim to BELIEVE.’ In other words, an assault on that belief system itself.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1865666/posts#comment?q=1

He's the only one wrecking the institution of marriage around here, but apparently god said that was ok.

He must think it is a "relatively" lesser moral sin.

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"I would prefer that you were either cold or hot; but, because you are lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth." (all metaphorically speaking for those I know will take it in another direction...).

Seems like hypocrisy was, indeed, what pissed Jesus off...

You end up turning yourself inside out.

against others while thinking you can do it yourself...hypocrisy stinketh bigtime...

Subterranean standards.

Is this supposed to be worse than plain-vanilla moral nihilism?

Do what ever you jolly well please, and if you are on the right belief team you are automatically forgiven.

And that is a real problem within the moral absolutists. Because they pin their moral notions to their doctrine they have no personal sense of morality. They are in many ways by their own claims without a sense of morality. They insist that they cannot fathom the issues of morality and are dependent on the doctrine to know the difference between right and wrong.

That is, do they compare to Ted Bundy the way people with Asperger's Syndrome compare to the non-functioning extremes of autism? Aspies can't directly perceive social cues, but can survive if they study neurotypicals and make up formal rules to guide them in social interactions.

Similarly, if conservatives are characterized by partial or total absence of normal empathy, they can't process information like "How would I like it if somebody did that to me?" Do they then have an absolute requirement for rigid rulebooks in order to behave ethically?

at least I'm not a MORAL RELATIVIST! So....CLINTON should have resigned.

Wow that is so inspiring.....

The Freeper is right about that! Furthermore, the display of Republican perversion and hypocrisy coming at us from all sides these days DISCREDITS the belief system like nothing else in the world, the belief system being the whole idea of a divinely ordained "revealed" moral code.

After all, if even the people who subscribe to that belief system are such abysmal failures at living up to it, what exactly gives them the right to cram it down the throats of those of us who DON'T subscribe to it?

I used to watch O'Reilly several years back and compare transcipts to catch him in contradictions. Then one day I realized that his head wouldn't explode or anything...

It sucks but it is reality. The best that can come from regular hypocrisy is a lack of credibility. As the regularity of the hypocrisy decreases, however, so does the damage to credibility. Most spin doctors know exactly where the line is that keeps them safe yet allows them to play favorites at the expense of principle.

Moral relativism = bad, according to this freeper

Next statement: "hypocrisy is at least a step up from total amoral nihilism"

Is that not moral relativism in itself?



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SERIOUSLY!!! That is so fucked up.

S/He may simply be plotting a continuum of morality upon which nihilism is to the left of hypocrisy (assuming the left end of the spectrum equals "bad" stuff).

Moral relativism seems, to me, to state that any such continuum is arbitrary.

Unless the source of moral authority is present to pass judgment on what is or is not moral then all such systems are dependent on interpretation of the actual code they draw from. And if you listen to enough sects of Christianity you quickly discover that the hard and fast moral code they abide by is just as interpreted as any moral relativist.

between a married man and a married woman, and, the other woman the man pays to change the man's shitty diapers.

No wait, a married man & woman and a male hooker with meth.

No that's not it.....sex is between a married man & woman, and a stranger in the men's room.

THE CONSERVATIVE VIEW ON SEX IS SO CONFUSING.....

And not vice (pun intended) versa.

And that's why the high school kids are having GASP! ORAL SEX!

Pretty weird cuz when I was in HS Jimmy Carter was president and I don't remember him coming into such decisions....

After all those years of obsessing about getting control of our federal government, what wonderful things could have been accomplished by enforcing that right wing ideology on us all. And after six years of exactly that, look where we are. To avoid the obvious conclusion that their political philosophies are one hundred percent wrong, they must rationalize so intensely that their heads are in danger of spinning off into the stratosphere.

Remember all those right wing emails we used to get all the time? You know, where Saint Ronnie of Reagan's words echoed around the world and the Clintons had dozens of people murdered? They tapered off and now I don't get any at all. The last couple of people who were sending them to me got mad and went into tirades because they were just unable to defend what they were saying (such as promoting Junior's adventure in Iraq, for example). I still get broadcast emails from a few of them but they are strictly non-political these days.

It's the only thing that explains how they can hang on to Bush doctrine, St. Ronnie crap, etc.

Besides it's weird how they acted office hanky panky was the end of the world, but an ongoing arrangement to pay whores to change one's dirty diapers is "a private matter." Blowjobs aren't that big a deal IMO, but Freeper diaper sex, that's just BLECH!!!

That's prob key with the conservatives & diaper sex!

Blech, I remember St. Ronnie doing that "mommy" thing, so creepy, especially since Nancy wasn't exactly Mother of the Year if you listen to her kids (more like Mommie Dearest)

.....I always thought Laura looked like a "mommy" wife too. They're all freaks.

But for the life of me I can not imagine how a grown man could derive pleasure from shitting himself and then hiring hookers to change his Depends. Holy cow, that's repulsive.

Their political ideologies are not like a religion to them. They are a religion. Think about it. You can't convince them that supply side economics is mostly an attempt to find moral justification in taking from the poor and giving to the rich, no matter what facts you present. Same thing with a Baptist congregation that you are trying to convince that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

It is believing vs. knowing. In religious circles, believing trumps everything. But just as a few people change their religious beliefs some time during their lives, a small number of these right wing zealots are admitting to themselves that the earth is probably round after all. But there won't be many more of them who will do that. It's very difficult for small minded people to overcome decades of indoctrination by the likes of Rush and company.

we'll condemn Vitter for what he did. We can do this . IT's not like he didn't do anything. Feel better about us now?

Mz Pip
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then isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!

"Okay for me but not for thee" is the doctrine of the right wing. Vitter condemned Clinton while he was engaging in adulterous behavior himself. He had to have been justifying it in some way, most likely by telling himself that what he was doing was less reprehensible because he wasn't Bill Clinton. If that's not moral relativism I don't know what is.

NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR LORD JESUS CHRIST YOU FUCKING IGNORANT FUCK.

HAVE THESE PEOPLE EVER ACTUALLY READ THE FUCKING BIBLE?

GOD I HATE THEM HATE THEM HATE THEM

It doesn't sound like a good thing to me, but I can honestly say that I can't think of a single scenario where hypocrisy is a good thing.

...oh, really? So this asshole thinks that hypocrisy is a step up from something? I'll bet this same lamebrain professes to be a Christian, too...

The Bible has a lot to say on the topic; and Jesus reserved some of his harshest words for hypocrites -- see the Matthew entries below:

1. Job 8:13
So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish:
2. Job 13:16
He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him.
3. Job 15:34
For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.
4. Job 17:8
Upright men shall be astonied at this, and the innocent shall stir up himself against the hypocrite.
5. Job 20:5
That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?
6. Job 27:8
For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul?
7. Job 34:30
That the hypocrite reign not, lest the people be ensnared.
8. Job 36:13
But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath: they cry not when he bindeth them.
9. Proverbs 11:9
An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.
10. Isaiah 9:17
Therefore the LORD shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
11. Isaiah 33:14
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
12. Matthew 6:2
Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
13. Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
14. Matthew 6:16
Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
15. Matthew 7:5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
16. Matthew 15:7
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
17. Matthew 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
18. Matthew 22:18
But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19. Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
20. Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
21. Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
22. Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
23. Matthew 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
24. Matthew 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
25. Matthew 23:29
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

than lying, cheating, and screwing another person over (in this case, the bastard's wife) and then playing the "I know God so I get out of jail for free" card. WE don't pretend to be the ultimate arbiters of morality, but we goddamn know the difference between being an upright person and playing at it until one gets caught.

Freepers are so morally bankrupt they don't even know what morality IS.

Fucking assholes.

And, yeah, since I know they're bound to read this thread, "I'm talking about YOU, jerk!"

If I cheated on my wife, I don't GET a "get out of jail free" God card. I'd look like an asshole to everyone, and no one would be making excuses for me. When Clinton did it, we didn't run around saying, "well, that's okay." No, we said it was wrong, but NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. It was between the two of them.

In this case, this person who's been pretending to be MORALLY upright, and a "savior" of marriage, turns out to be a lying bastard wearing a mask of righteousness, is a far bigger jackass than Bill was because, unlike Bill, he thought he had the right to dictate morality that he himself doesn't even follow.

Freepers are dumbfucks.

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It is better to loudly and sanctimoniously pass judgment on the personal lives of others -- holding them to a standard you have no intention of applying to yourself or to those who are 'on your team' -- than it is to concern yourself solely with your own personal life and entreat everyone else to do the same.

Whited sepulchres like this troglodyte are the utter epitome of moral relativism.