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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 09:48 AM Original message |
If Universal Health Care would be so bad that nobody would want it, why can't we just have a Federal |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. There would always be those that complain |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. but if they think nobody is going to chose to use it, it's not going to cost very much |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. The reich-wingers I know would just say |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Not even just to try it and prove it was bad and shut liberals up forever? |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Oh sure, try it. |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. People would certainly choose it |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. It would be better and cheaper and that's why the private corps don't want it |
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sojourner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
54. the Corporatocracy that is enriches itself through |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I don't think they would complain long |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I hope not. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Like people who don't have kids complain about their tax dollars |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Exactly. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. That argument drives me crazy. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. Right wing stink tanks have done a bang up job |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
53. What's odd about this situation from a RW point of view |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. GM "is" and has been talking about government involvement in healthcare. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. That's interesting. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. As a matter of fact, Republicans want to end employer paid health care. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
3. I agree ~ Sicko has the ability to change America |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. If you support Single Payer, |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. There are so many things that I love about Obama |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. The person in your user name and sig line does. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Obama doesn't support National Health Care--------????!!!!! |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
5. It violates the "pooled risk" model |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I don't think the uninsured are necessarily less healthy. They're just unemployed. |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Many with pre-existing conditions cannot get affordable health insurance. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
33. I think that's self-insurance. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. You cannot have people floating in and out of a program depending on their employment status |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
56. You know some employers don't even offer benefits e/t |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. That's likely what would happen |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
58. What you're describing is the way thing work now. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. Pre-existing funds |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
70. However, if you're currently employed or make over a certain income - |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Yes that's right at the cut-off |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. Actually I think that's |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. Not hardly--they are guaranteed to fail if they cover actual sick people-- |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. The problem could be the actual funding. Here's a scenario: |
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JacquesMolay (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
9. I'd go better than that ... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I'm not interested in destroying the government or in having taxpayers subsidize |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Definitely don't support |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'm in the program for federal employees. You still have to |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
16. Could those who would opt out of the Federal program |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Yeah. Just like you can opt out of local taxes that support schools even if you don't have kids. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. What would happen if you had the chance to opt out of the property taxes-- |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
17. Interesting facts. National health might be same or less cost. |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. You're way off on #1 |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. There is a total cost drop from 16^ of GDP to 11 or 12% depending on benefits |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Are you saying ... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Those are the charges that the client sees and therefore ALL of the overhead |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
64. For what we spend, we could have the most LUXURIOUS of health care systems . . . |
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Blue State Blues (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
22. Private Insurers would be able to pick their patients |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Patients would be able to picke their health care provider. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
26. Or |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
27. There are those who think that the American people as a nation are |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
29. What makes you think no American would want it? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
31. We can't stop competition. There will be private medical institutions. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. I don't know where you get your information that European health care |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Great Britain |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
67. I'm surprised that recently people in GB have those complaints |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. And that may very well be one of the disadvantages of this kind of system. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. I make reference to Social Security earlier on this thread. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. True -- there have been right-wing governments starving the European plans . . . |
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Summer93 (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
34. Insurance decides |
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JacquesMolay (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
35. btw, I think this was part of kerry's platform in 2004... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
36. Simple---they do not want any competion from the gov!! wimps |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:15 PM Original message |
They want to protect BIG profits (not reasonable...but BIG profits). |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. They want to protect BIG profits (not reasonable...but BIG profits). It's like FedEx killing USPS. |
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Larissa238 (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
37. But, we can't keep up with the demand! |
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Nunyabiz (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
38. My wife has worked for the federal gov |
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HeeBGBz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
49. Anything's better than nothing |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
61. Stop making sense, it has no place in this argument. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
66. You are describing John Edwards' plan - create MedicarePlus for everyone who wants it - |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
69. We already have that for poor people |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Medicaid Blows |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Yes, and it is sad. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Nursing Homes And Assisted Living Centers Are Totally Different As You Know |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Yes, altho my assisted living home started offering slots to Medicaid |
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