I posted on my veterans' board that my dream ticket was Gore/Clark. Freeper responds:

(You are all going to love this!!)

I have already responded, but I am interested in hearing your thoughts.


> Had Gore been President on 9-11, what do you suppose
> would have been the
> result? Would we have gone on the offensive? Would
> we have talked
> ourselves to death at the UN?
>
> I firmly believe that had Gore been President, we
> would all be bowing
> toward Mecca five times a day as he would not have
> had the backbone to
> stand up to the Muslim fanaticism.
>
> What do you think Mike? You must have done some
> serious thinking to
> make him your 'dream President'. What makes him so
> special?
>

End of his stupid argument.

I found the whole "I can't imagine Gore responding effectively/aggressively" argument total hooey.

President Gore would have remained on vacation and ignored a PDF that said "Bin laden determined to strike in America."

Of course Lieberman may have still stood down the Air Force like Chaney did, so maybe you are are on to something.

Your post reads like this:
"I don't believe that. President Gore would have remained...."

Instead of:
"I don't believe that President Gore would have remained..." which was obviously the intended interpretation.

Just in case any readers misinterpreted what you wrote. :)

Thanks. :)

I mean, it made perfect sense, it's just that it could have been misinterpreted. I knew what you were going for, and I'm pretty sure everyone else did too. :D

legislation and efforts.

A Gore admin would have caught it and, at the least, ameliorated the attack. There were all kinds of clues ignored by the Bush administration - deliberately.

Bush had plenty of warning that 9/11 was going to take place. He had plenty of warning that it would involve highjacking planes and flying them into buildings, and it didn't take rocket science to guess which buildings, since the World Trade Center had been attacked before.

Gore would have responded to the Cole attack - as Clinton's people begged him to do - and there is a very very good chance that the 9/11 attack would have been thwarted, as Clinton thwarted the planned attack in Seattle on New Year's Eve 1999/2000.

to prevent it from happening.

We were still dependent upon incompetents at private, low-bid firms like Argenbreight, to actually look at and employ the 'no-fly' list. As incompetent as the Bush Admin was, the folks entrusted with airport security were the weakest link in our defense chain.

He's highly credible.

If the Bush administration had followed up on the warnings, the FAA would have been informed of the threat of highjackers. People armed only with boxcutters - as the 9/11 highjackers were - could have been easily subdued onboard IF people had known that they were likely to crash the planes.

Until 9/11, the conventional wisdom for dealing with highjackers was to stay calm and let them fly the plane whereever they wanted to go. Usually, the passengers and crew were fine, and often the highjackers themselves were captured when they landed.

The Bush administration knew that OBL had different plans. It was criminally negligent of them to hide this information and refuse to follow up on it.

would not have ignored any intelligence offered.

Gore would not have suspended meetings of the anti-terrorism task force like our current SoS did.

I think we would have likely prevented 9/11, or at least mitigated it affects.

Gore would not have sat like a scared little boy for 7 minutes, nor would he have allowed himself to be flown around the country to 'undisclosed' locations by the secret service.

Bush is and always was a coward. Gore has balls.

Clark = Gen. Wesley K. Clark
Clarke = Richard A. Clarke

Both are national treasures as far as I'm concerned.

aircraft. The Republicans and the industry rejected them. One major suggestion would have denied hijackers access to the cockpit. I'm sure the recommendations would have been adopted as soon as he took office. His report drew upon what Israelis and others did to secure their flights.

Oh, I have no doubt he would have tried and taken his case to the American people and pushed for it, but with a Republican Congress and airlines already squealing about how it's all the union's fault they are having financial troubles - I think it would have been MIGHTY difficult for Gore to get it fully implemented by 9/11.

Instead, we invaded Iraq.

It talked about securing cockpit doors, and many other things. It was presented to the public and ignored.

Done by two former senators, one Democratic and one Republican (Gary Hart and Warren Rudman).

Lieberman was plan B.

We now know that Lieberman is perfectly willing to wage war against Iraq, Iran, or any other country Israel doesn't like.
And he would have been a heatbeat away from the Presidency.

It is very very interesting that Lieberman was tapped for Gore's VP. Gore knows who recommended him. I hope that information is put to good use one day.

lol

why is al queda expanding it's membership -- AT ALL?

and i'll stop so my bood pressure doesn't go up.

willfull ignorance.

i get all crazed sometimes when i read what some of these people say.

cause i don't believe them. -- it's just a piece of the hate they have for all things ''liberal'', ''progressive''.
and that's all there is to it.

Clinton/Gore warned the incoming Bush administration of the Al Qaida threat. Gore would have handled it the way it should have been handled: as a law enforcement matter.
I prefer to think that 9/11 might have actually been prevented. And we certainly wouldn't be mired in Iraq.

i.e. the Argenbreight folks. One week they're working at Taco Bell, the next they're doing airport security.

In Europe, they don't rely upon private industry/contractors to protect them, as we do with lowerst-bidder folks.

:P

With three dollar a gallon gas, we're bowing towards Mecca, Jiddah, Riyadh, Jubail, Dohar....to say nothing of every major metropolitan city in the entire region that can pump out substantial quantities of black gold for our piggish consumption!!!

Just go to any gas station--you see "good, God-fearin' 'Murkins" assuming that position in a big way when they hand over fifty bucks to fill their GasPigMobile! Gasoline-u-akhbar!!!

is just hyperbolic bullshit. Bowing to Mecca 5 times a day? What rubbish. Repeating stupid Ann Coulter talking points do not make them facts.

Gore would have gone after bin Laden and wouldn't have stopped until he got him. All that talking ourselves to death at the UN was over Iraq, not Afghanistan. We had world support after 9/11 but Bush blew it with his elective war.

THe guy needs a history lesson.

Mz Pip
:dem:

Let`s start with Iraq, then move on to Katrina. Let alone the fact that we would be on our way to serious alternative energy.As it is, it will take us YEARS to right the wrongs of this administration. God only knows what fun they have lined up for the next election.

the 9-11 hijackers.

:thumbsup: I like that. Well played. :hi:

first of all, Gore knew the dangers of Al Quaeda, it was Clinton's top National Security issue.

If the FBI's warnings when unnoticed and 9/11 actually occurred, he/we would have stayed in Afghanistan and got the job done instead of tying up all our resources in Iraq running out a tin horn dictator that was all talk and no stick. and he would have gotten the UN on board to help us so we wouldn't need to spend all our treasure and manpower doing it.

To say Gore has no backbone is to conveniently ignore the way he took on Environmental Issues in spite of the right calling him every tinfoilhat name in the book and trying to minimize/discount his message.

It took courage and focus to forge forward with the GW education of the planet. Why would he have any less courage and focus when confronted with radical Islamists as President? People may say a lot of things about Gore, but one thing they can never say is that he is stupid or incompetent (unlike the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave)

He's more qualified than anyone else to do the job.

I was a boot on the ground on 9/11. It happened on the fascist's watch, and that day he scurried around the country like a scared rabbit. What a hero.

Gore has said he would have attacked AQ positions in Afghanistan. And he would not have let Bin Laden escape.

Suggest to your veteran friend that he pick up a rifle and march off to "fight the terrorists" in Iraq if he loves the war so much.

Hope you reminded him that Gore and Clark are both Vietnam vets, while Bush and Cheney are both fucking draft dodgers.

he ran and hid like the coward that he is.

I also mentioned the fact that Bush was warned about Bin Laden attacking the US and he ignored the warnings and went on vacation.

I also said that since he ran and hid before, he loves playing hero as "the war time president."

What has Bush done since 9/11? What did this idiot do
that has protected us? We attacked the wrong country,
3600 troops are dead because of this war, and Osama is
still at large! Oh yeah, Bush has done a hell of a
job. That is, after he was done hiding in the
classroom. Not only that, but Bush ignored the PDB
that said, "Bin Laden determined to attack within
US.", and went on vacation.

Do I think Gore would have done a better job on 9-11?
How does "Hell Yes" sound to you? George Bush is a
coward -- plain and simple. He didn't serve his
country when he had the chance and now he is making up
for lost time by playing "war president."

Gore is much, much smarter than Bush and knows much
more about politics and diplomacy than Bush and Cheney
put together. Not only that, he has acknowledged the
fact that there is a serious problem with global
warming and is trying to do something about it.

Every decision Bush makes benefits either himself,
military contractors, or big business (oil
companies.). He doesn't give a flying f*ck what the
American people think, what Congress thinks, or what
the courts think. He does whatever he pleases.

I, for one, am sick of living in a country with a
President who thinks he's a king. Not only that, I'm
sick of looking at him and hearing his fake "good ol'
boy" accent.

Bush as a 9/11 hero? What color is the sky in your
world, Mark?

how come terrorist attacks are up since 9-11? how come al queda is back to pre 9-11 strength? how come we can only capture a two bit, american puppet dictator that had nothing to do with 9-11. and when i say we...i mean bush. where's my tax money? where is the constitution? was the UN right about Iraq?

this guy must have done some serious NON-thinking to think anyone wouldn't be better than bush.

anyone BESIDES bush is a 'dream' president right now, anyone. most people would have to deliberately try to f up as bad as bushco has over the last 6 years. for bush it just comes naturally.

9/11 would have been a very ordinary day.

Vice President Gore was President Clinton's go-to guy on terrorism--among other things, he chaired the president's antiterrorism task force.

When FlightSafety reported to President Gore's FAA and FBI that men were asking to learn to fly 747s but not to land them, his FBI would have sent quiet men to visit those prospective students, those people would have been thrown in jail, and 9/11 would have been a very ordinary day.

When the actor James Woods noticed the 9/11 hijackers on the plane he was on making their dry run in the weeks before 9/11 and told the stewardess he thought the plane was going to be hijacked, and the pilot reported this to the FAA, President Gore's FAA would have sent quiet men from the FBI to visit them, they would have been thrown in jail, and 9/11 would have been a very ordinary day.

If President Gore would have received a Presidential Daily Briefing that said Osama bin Laden was hankerin' to hit the United States, President Gore would have had his FAA remind the airlines that if overly-nervous people try to check in for flights and they've got one-way cross-country tickets paid for in cash and no luggage, it's okay to pull them aside and have security ask them questions until their plane leaves. Would that have happened, 9/11 would have been a very ordinary day.

And if these guys made it all the way onto the plane, the Terrorism Working Group at the Pentagon wouldn't have been running a command post exercise in which a notional terrorist group named Al Qaeda hjacked notional airliners and flew them into notional buildings at the same time the real terrorist group named Al Qaeda was hijacking real airplanes and flying them into real buildings.

His Air Force wouldn't have dispatched air defense interceptors that had to fly over three other bases, all of which had air defense interceptors, to get to the terrorists.

And, most importantly of all, when the outgoing Vice President Gore told the incoming President Gore he knew who the guys who hit the USS Cole were, where they were, and the level of damage busting the Cole bombers would have done to Osama's organization, the incoming president probably wouldn't have blown off the information the way the incoming pResident Bush did.

Don't bullshit yourself. 9/11 could have been prevented...and probably WOULD have been prevented, if the president's handlers didn't need a "new Pearl Harbor" to set their nefarious plans into motion.

Gee. You know, I've heard rants like this from time to time. And I'm always amazed at how long they are on anger and how short they are on good old fashioned common sense. In all of these rants, I hear nothing but gut feeling issues.

The comparison between Gore and Bush is idiotic because of one simple thing, Gore didn't have his rightful chance to prove his mettle in such a situation, and Bush did. And Bush came up severely wanting. But since you insist on going down this road, let me get behind the wheel and drive you somewhere I'm sure you'll despise.

I firmly believe the following:

1. If Gore were President, he may have listened to all of the intelligence barking at him that said that Al-Qaeda was planning an attack using planes as weapons. While it may not have been prevented, we would have been better prepared, and perhaps 3000 people would not have died in the twin towers.

2. If Gore were President, when the time did come, he wouldn't have sat there for seven minutes in complete shock. He would have acted immediately.

3. If Gore were President, we would not have invaded Iraq, because there were no WMDs there or Al-Qaeda there and he's not tied to American oil interests. Saddam Hussein does not a reason make for sacrificing American lives to the God of personal revenge or cheap energy.

4. If Gore were President, we would have stayed in Afghanistan until the mission was truly accomplished.

5. If Gore were President, we would generally be experiencing efforts to reduce our dependence on the Middle East for its oil supply and in so doing, prevent further irritations and conflagrations in that region of the world.

6. If Gore were President, aw hell, we could go on for days. Gore is an intelligent person who understands the way things work. Bush is not. Name what you wish, and it'd be a sight better under Gore.

If freeper responds, borrow some talking points from him/her. I'm pretty sure it will be OK. : )

though the chances are very high... but bowing to Meca five times a day? These guys are astoniishing.

Though we wuold not have dropped the ball in Afghanistan etiher

reading a book to kids...after he learned the first plane hit. As a matter of fact Gore would not have been at the school because he would have heeded the warning that Al Queda was going to attack....(the increased chatter from known terrorist would have been the hint)

Fucking idiots....

Oh yea and tell him Gore would have taken Osama out.....and not gotten 3600 of our troops killed in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11

Fucking idiots...:grr:

Possibly using planes. And he wouldn't have been ignoring Richard Clarke. It might have happened anyway, but they would have been paying attention.

It's obvious that these 'people' have as many braincells as my armchair.
They will never, ever, admit even the possibility that you might have a point.
They will go through all the talking points they've learned from Fox.
And when they're all through, they will say you hate America and that you wish the terrorists win.
Been there, done that (bought the T-shirt).

> I firmly believe that had Gore been President, we
> would all be bowing
> toward Mecca five times a day

If he firmly believes this he obviously "firmly believes" Saddam had WMD...

5 times a day? He's a much as said he'd give in if truly threatened.

But it is not a true threat, and he knows it.

Gore would have paid attention to the clues and his adminstration would have put a stop to it, and we'd have no New Pearl Harbor.