can we quit pretending that the "democrats" in the Senate

learned anything at all from the last 7 years and the 2006 election?

They are rolling over on the phony intelligence and lies about Iran just like they did on Iraq.

The Congressional "democrats" really are playing Washington Generals to the oligarchy's Globetrotters.

I can't sustain this anger for long without blowing a gasket.

I can't recall you ever saying anything positive about Congressional Democrats. It's possible I missed it.

Bryant

because there hasn't been anything positive to say

I was optimistic until about March, when it started to become apparent that the congressional "democrats" (with a few exceptions) are on the side of the same capitalist oligarchy served by the bush cabal.

The Senate rushing unanimously down the IWR path on the way to war with Iran is the latest example

There are unsubstantiated reports that Fiengold has something planned for tomorrow --> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1345697&mesg_id=1345697

We'll have to see what happens.

Bryant

apparently, most at DU believe there is a class war.

class war poll

I don't really know what to say about it, except that I suppose it is just another way I differ from much of DU.

It's too complicated an issue to grapple with here; because while I would argue that there are elements of a class war inherient in the American economic system, and it's clear that the deck is stacked in favor of the corporate heads, I don't know that the internal logic of a class war is all that helpful in understanding what to do next.

In other words if the system is stacked against the poor and the working class, than it would seem to imply that we need to look at dismantling/destroying the system. A few fixes and tweaks won't do it.

And I'm more in the fixes and tweaks camp.

Bryant

it doesn't explain the ultra RW obsession with destroying the New Deal

If the system is a problem, than FDR's reforms were just a band-aid on a much larger problem. FDR, being one of the wealthy, proclaimed a series of minor corrections to make the system more palatable in the midst of the Great Depression. It's hard to remember how bad things were in those days, and likewise hard to gauge the potential for revolution. But FDRs problems, as the thinking goes, were never intended to fix the problems. Just paper over them until such time as the potential for revolution dimmed and the ruling class could once more crush the workers underfoot.

Bryant

the people will never rise up and overthrow the oligarchy until the oppression become intolerable

Isn't it more about how the wealthy rig the system in order to enhance their power? In other words they have done their own tweaks - as in Reagan tax cuts, Reagan tax increases, and Bush tax cuts, etc.

I've said this a couple of times before. Remember the scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 where the black congressmen were raising hell about the stolen election, and the Senators (esp. Leahy) stood there stone-faced, like they were breaking code at the country club? That was the face of the system. The fact is, they all take money from the same companies in the military-industrial complex, most all of them are rich and detached from the concerns you and I have every day.

And it was set up that way - when Madison was drawing up the constitution (see the Federalist papers), he knew he needed an instituion to protect the system from 'over-democritization'. That's why Senators have the longest terms - they can't be removed easily. It also allows geographic blocs to slow down legislation there (e.g. banning slavery). The constitution had to be amended to allow direct election of Senators. They used to be chosen by the state legislatures - the power brokers and barons just picked a prominent rich guy and installed him.

The Senate is the system - it was designed to ward off the little hurts democracy might put on the powerful

if they don't hall in miers to testify, then it's over. This is my last chance. she violated a subpoena to appear, if she doesn't show and they don't arrest her, then it's over for america.

Until then I will keep my sarcasm brief. yeah right...

wtf were they doing censuring IRAN when IRAN is not the problem.

And was met with the usual bs.

I don't care how much they try to shake me off. I'm just going to keep doing it until their heads explode.

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