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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 01:56 PM Original message |
A point of view from a parent with 3 kids --- about screaming kids in public places. |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Flying can really hurt their ears. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Indeed it can |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. But that can be handled to calm them down |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. That's what we did... |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. it's pretty amazing, isn't it? |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. my ears hurt on take off. Crying is about the only way a baby can communicate. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Yeah---they want something. |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
88. Lol, good one! n/t |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Yup, that's why babies are way different than a 5 yr olds temper tantrum. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. yes but parents w. small screaming children don't care about their child's pain |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. wtf? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
82. Where did that come from? |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. try reading the thread, pay attention and you might know what is going on |
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oregonjen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Cars can fly across the ocean? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. A baby's ears are not guaranteed to hurt |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
125. I never flew with an infant, but my son's first flight was when |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
93. Did you see your kids as fashion accessories? |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
85. Simple cure -- MANDATORY BREASTFEEDING. |
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AwakeAtLast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
134. Flying still hurts my ears |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. Very well stated. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. As a non-parent |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:44 PM Original message |
With the exception of Movies (where I want to hear) or airplanes |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
123. Actually, as much as I don't like to hear kids scream... |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. great post |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. I hate screaming kids in public... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I agree... |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. Spot on! And I don't think anyone here who has had problems with kids feels any different. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Well, to be fair, Rabrrrrrr |
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MsRedacted (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
8. I was in a plane last month with 18mo delightful twins. We had a bumpy flight. |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Babies aren't so bad |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Well, the young toddler's "me me me" is just a more... |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. it is still very difficult to take |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. "Seven year old boy kicking your seat" |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. I was on a flight once |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Considerate parents are obvious |
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firefox_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
114. I always wear earplugs on the plane! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. I give the flight attendant the benefit of the doubt. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Thing is---the kid is still qualified as a baby at 18 months old |
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MsRedacted (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. You haven't met my sister-in-law. She's a flight attendant. And she . . .not in polite company |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
127. has the media talked to anyone else that was the plane? All we have gotten is one |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. My trip from hell and why I'm always sympathetic to parents |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Like I said---there's no science to the predictability of a baby. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. Plane -> Sympathy for parent, largely because they have little choice, typically.... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Right------ |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Movies I'll buy, but not restaurants. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. You're talking about an atypical situation. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. My point is, I don't know WHY they are eating out |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. ever heard of drive-ins? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. I KNOW. Because all kids are screaming brats. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. so the excuse has changed, has it? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. LOL. |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
94. Wow, glad to know you were born an |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
99. I agree about travelling with kids/restaurants; however |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. They're far worse than small kids who can't control themselves. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. We were at a fancy hotel this spring |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #99 |
120. Agree with all you said in your higher-resolution-than-mine remarks. |
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firefox_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
113. Grocery Store is acceptable.. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
24. Thanks for saying it isn't just the "childless" who don't like screaming kids |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Take a poll... a screaming kid sucks. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. Flight Attendants have changed. They used to be GREAT with kids |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Years ago when I flew with two of my kids...one was six months old... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I never had a prob with flight attendants. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think uncontrollable kids should be placed in the hold with the pets. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
30. You've got the right attitude |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. ..And you know what, Trumad? A 'Family Section' on a plane might not be a bad idea! |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Hell---they had smoking sections |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. There you go!! Do the same thing! |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. and nuts |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Hey! There's a REASON that Stork Airlines flys one-seaters! |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. seconded! One of our local cinemas also has a "baby night" ... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
36. K&R....great OP! |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. It's all part of the general social trend toward saying "to hell with etiquette, I do what I want!" |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. You know.... |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. You are absolutely right. |
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RC Quake (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
109. Wow! Sounds like you know my husband. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
37. Any time one is on a plane headed to Orlando, it's a miracle if there NO screaming kids. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Disney World Express, eh? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
40. Kids will scream naturally from time to time... I find American kids on the avg. |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. attention-getting for them, plus it exasperates and embarrasses the parents |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. I think you're right. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
129. Exactly, one things young kids do learn quickly is how to push |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
42. Bottles for babies, and blow their noses a lot too. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
44. The Wumberlog |
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Betsy Ross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
47. I also can't stand |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
48. IMO this post ends the debate. |
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Progressive_In_NC (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
51. Part of it is parental guilt too, kids spend 60 hours a week in school/daycare/commute now |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
57. There's never a good reason to travel with a baby |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Why? |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Umm...Grandpa's on the opposite coast and is too sick... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
136. Mine, too |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
78. Nonsense. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. Ugh. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. There are tons of good reasons to travel with babies |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
90. Go join a species that needs you |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
91. Shit!! I guess when my brother and sister-in-law relocated back |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
118. Aren't you expecting? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #118 |
135. Yeah |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
124. Are you serious? |
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kimmylavin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
60. When I was younger... |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. My oldest child's first word was "restaurant" |
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kimmylavin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. We went out... |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
63. you just don't get it, do you? |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Dude---or Dudette--can't tell because your profile is diabled. |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Have you ever seen this person do anything else? |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Honestly I've never encountered the dude.. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Yet you |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Wot would me do ye that for? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Okay, you when .... |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. A true story: |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. trumad, you're wasting your time. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
87. This is a 19-month-old |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. the child was vocalizing throughout the security announcement, this is against regulations |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. If the baby was loud enough to drown out the FA, fair enough |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. i don't doubt it, as it was clearly loud enough to cause the FA to object |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. You don't doubt a 19-month-old was drowing out an FA speaking into a microphone? |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
110. Whats wrong, you didn't get enough attention today? Again? |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
75. one comment on the discipline since that was my issue |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
77. Doesn't it help to give the baby a bottle or the breast while flying? |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. reminds me of a flight from Vancouver to LAX |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. I wonder what the FA would have done if the mom had started breastfeeding the baby |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
101. Yes, it does, but by all accounts this little guy was just babbling |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
79. Good points -- |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
108. Great post, like you I have 3, ages 13, 11 and 8 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
111. The old Catholic churches had baby rooms |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. that's what the cargo section is for |
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RC Quake (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. My exact thought also. |
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firefox_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
112. So, we have to put up with YOUR kids. What do we get in return? |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. I don't want you to put up with my kids |
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firefox_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Yes, that is acceptable to me... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #121 |
131. yes |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
116. Let them scream if they are trying to get their way. Ignore it. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #116 |
133. No. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #116 |
137. At home, yeah, on an airplane though . . . |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
119. I was much more annoyed by fussy children before I had one. |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
126. Great post. I've travelled with every age child and have family who are airline folks. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. A little planning goes a long way |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
128. I concur. As a parent of 3 now-grown children. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
132. I raised two screamers and I REFUSE to think or talk about them |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
138. It is the 10, 12 and 13 year olds, not the babies. 10 year olds know better. |
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