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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:05 PM Original message |
Impeachment or ending the war? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. IMPEACHMENT |
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rainy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. impeachment as the war's end would shortly follow. Bush and Cheney |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. And every month that passes, more die. Impeachment isn't a two week process. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. It will take the same number of votes to end the war as it will to Impeach |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. But YOU hold the magic wand, per the OP. This is a fantasy exercise, an "If YOU had the power" |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Well you certainly are not going to do one without the other so it has to be Impeachment |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. So, even if impeachment goes as swiftly as Clinton's did, from the |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Just how do you suggest they do anything other? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Look, you aren't operating within the construct provided by the OP |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. So, it's an either/or proposition? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. If I had to choose it'd be ending the war... |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. As if they're not going to simply switch to ANOTHER |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I don't know... |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Are you convinced they'd LIKE to? n/t |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Yep... |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. In the OP's hypothetical, yes. NT. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. False Dichotomy |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Is it possible to impeach both at the same time? n/t |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. ok if we continue to play by this Congress rules and they |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. If they are mutually exclusive, I would choose impeachment. |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. Impeachment WILL end this illegal invasion/occupation. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. False dichotomy or untrue dichotomy? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. Well, the question is a fantasy mind game. I imagine the goal is to establish |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. impeachment is the first step the rest will take care of itself after that |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. A false choice; Congress routinely does more than one thing at a time. (NT) |
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PBass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. Impeachment. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. dichotomy: true or false. nt. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. They are intertwined, far as I can tell. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. How anyone could pick impeahment in an either/or situation is beyond me. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. It's pretty simple... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. No it isn't--not in the construct of the OP. You can pick ONE. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Out of Iraq and into Iran... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Hmmm. So what are you saying? Leave them over there so we won't have to fight them WAY over there? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I want ALL of it to stop, not just THIS war. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You're assuming the pullout wouldn't have negative consequences with regard to the ability of the |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. They wouldn't call it a "withdrawal." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Well, in the construct of the OP's fantasy, you have the power, not "them" |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. To me, it's a choice between ending this particular war or discouraging all future wars. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Hmmm. That's actually an interesting view. You're saying that it's likely that we will have |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Good point. Between the two choices, I would choose impeachment |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
20. I'm with the "false dichotomy" folks |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. Both are essential! |
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patricia92243 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. Impeachment will lead to the end of Bush's war. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
28. Fummy but impeachment would lead to the end of the war |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
30. Bushler will never let the troops come home, unless they're in a pine box. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. Impeachment. It would do both. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
32. Which would you choose: dying of hunger or thirst? |
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Nunyabiz (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
34. IMPEACHMENT every time |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
37. Impeachment doesn't seem feasible to me... |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
41. YOU CAN'T END THE WAR WITHOUT IMPEACHMENT. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. BINGO! This is SPOT ON, THE REASON. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I really don't think impeachment will end the war... |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. If impeached, then they run the risk of criminal liability for any number of acts, so if you don't |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
43. It's a false binary. I choose both. - n/t |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
51. In geek language: impeach=>endofwar holds true, but endofwar=>impeachment is false |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
53. Impeach and then you can end the war. eom |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
56. Impeach |
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kwyjibo (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-16-07 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
57. Every current and future politician needs to know that they can't get away with this kind of shit. |
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