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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:40 PM
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Miers’s second subpoena rejection: she's a no-show again
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 04:40 PM by babylonsister
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/17/mierss-second-subpoena-rejection/

Miers’s second subpoena rejection.

In a letter sent to House Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers (D-MI), George Manning, the attorney for former White House Counsel Harriet Miers, said that because of President Bush’s claim of executive privilege, “Ms. Miers will not appear before the Committee or otherwise produce documents or provide testimony as set forth in the Committee’s subpoena.” The Committee has previously warned that if Miers does not comply with the subpoena, she may face contempt of Congress.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:43 PM
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1. Arrest her for contempt
I think ^^;
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:44 PM
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2. I think that might be the only option left. nt
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:49 PM
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3. They need to arrest her and make the point...
let this thing come to a head. Then the Supremes can show themselves for who they are...
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:49 PM
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4. when will the contempt citation be issued? And will an arrest warrant accompany it?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:53 PM
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5. Hopefully they'll vote on it soon. And, no, there won't be an arrest warrant.
At least that's my prediction. I don't see them changing 70 years of precedent and going back to using inherent contempt without first trying the statutory approach which involves directing the US Attorney to take the matter to a grand jury. If the US Attorney refuses or delays, then you might see inherent contempt being considered, but not until the other process is tried.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:29 PM
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12. There's the irony. We don't want to break with 70 yrs of precedent but the administration
has no problem with doing so. They even flaunt it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:15 PM
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23. there is plenty of precedent for invoking executive privilege
and causing this sort of confrontation.And for seventy years, both repub and Democratic congress' have chosen to go the route of statutory contempt rather than inherent contempt. Why? Because Congreess is not particularly well suited to resolve criminal matters. Holding trials is not something they do in the House and what will seem most inherent about the process is that its a political criminal trial -- a kangaroo court to some.

Consider the following -- what if there had been an option of trying Scooter Libby in the House rather than having him indicted and tried, as it turns out, before a repub appointed judge. The one thing that the repubs don't have the ability to argue is that Libby trial -- handled by a repub prosecutor and a repub judge -- was a political show trial. But a trial conducted by the House of Representatives and decided, possibly, along party lines -- it will not be viewed as a valid process by a lot of people.

So you go the other route...first. And you see what happens. In the end, these things usually end up with both sides blinking. Some amount of disclosure, under some conditions. But when they get pushed to the limit, its typically the executive branch that caves or loses in court.

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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:36 PM
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25. WTF does Libby have to do with this case?
Miers ignored a Congressional subpeona, and therefore should be held in Contempt of Congress.

I don't know why you want to look the other way by talking about a criminal court case ie: Libby. That case has NOTHING to do with Miers not respecting a Congressional subpeona.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:03 PM
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7. I dunno, but if I see that info, I'll be sure to post it! nt
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:57 PM
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6. What are the reasons NOT to choose the inherent contempt route in this case? Why pull
punches and allow the normal contempt process to be derailed at any number of junctures?

I know the pros of inherent contempt...just haven't heard the cons yet.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:12 PM
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8. Probably to cover all bases. They'll make sure all proper procedures are followed
so the repukes can't come back at them with some bullshit about not doing what they are suppose to do. I dunno. Inherent Contempt is there for a REASON. Right? I've not read that Inherent Contempt can be used ONLY after all other avenues have been exhausted.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:22 PM
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10. My post on another OP about contempt....
Is that the only reason not to choose inherent contempt? It hasn't been used in 70 years? Isn't the current state of DOJ and the WH exactly why inherent contempt is needed? It will be months before we get to the point you talk about, where it becomes clear the DOJ will not impanel a grand jury. And if he makes motion to impanel, it would be months more until it might be clear there's a case against her. And even then we don't get her testimony...we just get a slim chance at punishment for contempt.

And your point of being in a stronger position after DOJ drags its feet: How much more foot-dragging and politicization of DOJ do we need to see before we just act as thought they won't be cooperative? We have PLENTY of examples to choose from already!

After all, we dont necessarily want Miers in jail...we want her testimony. Inherent contempt is used to compel testimony. So again...why would we discard from our toolbox the correct tool (inherent contempt) -- the one created to do the best job for the task at hand? Please don't say because it's dusty.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:58 PM
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18. I'm hoping Bush will handle this matter
with the same drunken belligerent buffoonery he uses to confront everything else. I think there's a good chance Bush will immediately order the US Attorney not to prosecute the case. Bush will probably beat his chest on TV when gives the order.

<~~Not a lawyer but... I'm reading a book which cites cases where it was held the US Attorney can't be compelled to enforce a Congressional contempt finding. So, if Bush refuses, the Democrats can just say there is nothing they can do about it, which brings them to the next I to dot and T to cross.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:24 PM
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11. Because
it's not clear that inherent contempt can be used against the executive branch.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:29 PM
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13. It's clear that impeachment can. But only if 67 Senators have said they will convict before
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 05:36 PM by John Q. Citizen
the indictment inquirey begins.

That's the unwritten political law I heard somewhere...:)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:38 PM
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16. What does this thread
have to do with impeachment?

Or do you just like stalking me? I disagree with you on a political subject. That's no reason to take it personally or act like a stalker.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:07 PM
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21. It was meant in a good natured joking way. I wasn't stalking you and I apologise
if it came off like that.

I was reading the OP and the respones. It seemed to intersect. There is a lot of things the Repos can do apparantly that the Dems can't, and there is a lot of laws the executive can break that the Dem controlled congress can't, even if it's not clear.

For instance, who would have thought bush could do secret warrent-less wire tapping, but the Judiciary committe might not be able to use inherant contempt against a former member of the executive branch, since it's mot clear that they can?

Anyway, I hope you accept my apology.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:14 PM
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9. Ooooh....

:popcorn:

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:30 PM
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14. Umm. Second supoena? How many must they submit before taking action?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:36 PM
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15. Meirs is a private citizen. Issue an Arrest Warrent!
Do it now!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:59 PM
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19. I don't think it was actually a 2nd, just a mandated wait for her to respond
as to why she didn't show up for the first one. Think back to how old our laws are. If a person was called 100 years ago there are any number of reasons why they might not have shown up on time. So they are given a few days to explain, but they still have to show. If she did not present herself to explain why she was late (hit a bump in the stage coach and broke her arm on the way there as was being treated by Dr, Mudd just outside the Capital). If he has a good excuse they just go on with the proceedings. As it is they have not choice but to lock her up.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:39 PM
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17. Throw her ass in jail
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:04 PM
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20. HOLD REPUBLICANS IN CONTEMPT FOR SUPPORTING FASCISM
HAS THIS GOT TO BECOME BLOODY.

EMAIL THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT SLIME THEY ARE....
GUESS WHO IS PRESIDENT OF THEM...... TED OLSEN
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:09 PM
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22. GOOD!!!
Yet another big mistake by the Bushler admin! :)


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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:24 PM
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24. DITTO
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