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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:08 AM
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Open borders.. I don't see a problem with them.
We let huge companies shift jobs to any nation they want without jumping through hoops. Why can't labor move with such freedom?

I would like to live in Spain for few years. It would be nice if I could just pack my bags and rent a place and find a job there. Instead, I have to waste years dealing with getting citizenship.

Let the free market decide. Coke vs Pepsi = USA vs Brazil. The best country will have the best labor.

Love it or leave it..
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:33 AM
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1. I completely agree.
The more we do to break down the walls of petty nationalism the better off we will be. Europe opened up the entire EU to the free flow of labor, and they have not suffered as a consequence. If I can move from New York to California and work there without the permission of the state, why can't I move anywhere else on the planet to live and work as I choose?
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:41 AM
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2. Ok...try to move and set up business in Mexico...
I'm not talking a corporation...just yourself, see how easy it is.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:39 AM
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3. Why arbitrarily eliminate corporations from the question?
Because not doing so would negate your argument?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:56 PM
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4. Well that is the point: it should be easy.
We should be negotiating open border agreements instead of building walls.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:32 PM
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5. This won't be a popular comment...
People are territorial.

I grew up in the South. To this day you hear people saying "they're taking over" about whatever group.

Love it or hate, you have to deal with it. It is real. People generally prefer to be with others like themselves. It takes a bigger person to overcome that segregational impulse. Most folk ain't 'big'.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:25 PM
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6. So let's build walls and regulate migration between states. nt.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:28 PM
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7. I agree
But until we take care of the xenophobic fear of other cultures, it will never happen.
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Screwfly Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:39 PM
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8. I agree complete.
Lets have zero gringo presence along the U.S., Mexican border.

The road net and ranch wells will quickly disappear, and the wild desert will keep people out of this country better than a wall ever could.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:30 PM
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9. "We the people" is a concept corporatists and other power cults never want us to learn.
Nationalism, sectarianism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, homophobia, religious cultism, tribalism. These are tools used by those in positions of power to protect their position to divide and conquer those they exploit.

A few decades ago I brought food and company to a few guys locked up in a jail in Kabul. One was an Indian idealist who thought his travel to England should be possible without begging permission slips from assorted state bureaucracies. We chatted a bit. He was right of course, on the morality side, like Gandhi, but he still got busted. But he was not a hatemonger or xenophobe, like those who urge us to fear and hate those on the other side of one arbitrary line or another.
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