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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:32 AM
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Breaking: Cloture on Levin-Reed amendment fails- Updated
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 11:03 AM by kpete
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So, am I getting this right? Reid won’t allow a vote on the entire defense bill until the goopers allow an up or down vote on the Reid-Levin ammendment?

If so, good move!

Correct.


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it was a procedural switch of his vote once he saw what the final tally was going to be — it gives him the ability under the rules to maneuver the bill into reconsideration for a later time.
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That’s it? Change the subject?

No cloture. No recess.
No progress. No recess.

No homecoming for our soldiers.

No recess

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Sen. Harry Reed is making a motion now to reconsider the vote (with a speech.)

He is asking for an up or down vote on Levin/Reed and three other Amendments (Clinton/Byrd, Warner/Lugar and one other.)

Mitch McConnell, the Republican Minority leader is objecting in response. He compares the ongoing debate to the movie Casablanca. Reid objects ("This is not a movie") and has the floor back.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/18/112221/677

and Reid calls him on the movie crap! Go Reid!

Reid: This is not a movie we’re involved in here. This is a serious issue.



Breaking: Cloture on Levin-Reed amendment fails. In a 52-47 vote, the Senate has failed to garner the 60 votes needed to end debate and proceed with the Levin-Reed amendment to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/18/breaking-cloture-on-levin-reed-amendment-fails/


GOP Succeeds In Blocking Senate From Voting On Withdrawal From Iraq
By Greg Sargent | bio
It's official: The Senate GOP has succeeded in blocking the Senate from holding a vote on the Reed-Levin amendment mandating withdrawal from Iraq by April 2008.

The vote just concluded, and while Dems did get a majority, they fell short of the 60 votes needed to get passed the Republican filibuster designed to prevent a straight up-or-down vote on whether to pull out of Iraq.

The vote was 52-47. Only four Republicans voted for it: Senators Olympia Snowe, Gordon Smith, Chuck Hagel, and Susan Collins. While the first three were expected, Collins' support for the bill represents a new defection.

What this means in a nutshell is this: While a majority of the U.S. Senate favors withdrawal from Iraq, the Senate can't vote on a measure that would accomplish this -- because the GOP Senate leadership won't allow it

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jul/18/gop_succeeds_in_blocking_vote_on_withdrawal_from_iraq
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:34 AM
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1. 52-47. We got some republican votes.
It's just a matter of time. I believe Bush will budge. The Republicans will vote "no" in the Senate and push Bush to change the course in private.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:35 AM
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2. Reid should announce that they will stay in session, except for required breaks,
until this is taken care of.

This is how the Republicons support our troops. Let them all die, they don't care. Actions speak louder than words. They are protecting the President and their party, they are not supporting our troops.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:35 AM
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3. Meanwhile our kids will continue to die because
CONSERVATIVES are too PROUD to admit their party leader is a lying sack of shit psychopath. Party over Country, ignorance, pride, mendacity, death and destruction, racism. All conservative values.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:41 AM
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4. So the message to the American People is:
If you want to bring the troops home vote Democrat and if you want a government that doesn't care what you think vote for the Grusome Oil company Puppets.
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:43 AM
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5. That's
the message I got and I WILL be voting Democratic next year. Damn fucking I'm ashamed of my Senator. hell, I don't even want to claim him.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:50 AM
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8. Apparently these filthy repigs are not listening to us, how much
shit can we take, WE ARE BEING PLAYED FOR FOOLS, and they need to hear it from us. Yes, I am angry, they are treating us like shit. We need to give them the MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:47 AM
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6. Keep the pressure on!
Keep bringing the vote to the floor.

All night, all weekend, all Summer, all the time.

Make these criminals keep exposing their contempt for democracy and for the American people.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:51 AM
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10. Yeah, Really
How long do they think they can keep this shit up and not pay for it at the polls?
I hate the fact that our troops are still in harms way in a winless situation but the silver lining on this very dark cloud may be setting the g.o.p. back a few decades.
Surely, they are calculating how long they can carry it on and then rely upon the short memory of the voting public.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:48 AM
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7. McConnell just blocked a vote on defense authorization.
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 10:49 AM by alfredo
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:52 AM
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11. oh these filthy filthy pigs.
who can we call?? stupid SOB's. I hate them and *'ie is smirking ear to ear. God I hate these people.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:32 AM
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20. I take that back. Reid just delayed a vote on it to put pressure on
McConnell and his lackeys. No defense authorization until action on Reid Levin.


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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:51 AM
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9. Doing some maths on this...
They got 52 votes. There were 4 Republicans who voted with the Dems; so that means that 48 Dems voted for the amendment. There are 51 Dems; one is away ill, leaving 50 who should have voted for it. Does that mean that 2 Dems voted against it? Presumably Lieberman is one (not a real Dem anyway) - who is the other?
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:55 AM
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12. Maybe Ben Nelson - (D) Nebraska?
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 10:55 AM by bear425
Dino
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:01 AM
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15. From Fox News (sorry):
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who strongly supports the withdrawal approach, voted no as a technical move that allows him, under Senate rules, to bring the troop withdrawal plan back to a vote at a later date.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289766,00.html
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 02:53 PM
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22. Yes, I see that now. And I understand why/ n/t
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:59 AM
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13. Anyone have the Aye/Nay vote list?
I want to know who to call and chastise.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:21 AM
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19. All dems - aye
not including Liebarmann, of course. Plus Collins, Hagel, Smith, Snowe. From what I understand, COllins was a last moment surprise.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:38 AM
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21. Collins is starting to hear footsteps.... n/.t
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:01 AM
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14. Where We Were...
The May vote had only two Repugnicans...Hagel & Smith. Now it's 4 with Snowe and Collins (ooops Joe!) also now "off the reservation". The goal here is for 60...We're now at 53...7 To Go.

The first targets are the WINOs...Waivers in Name Only:

Lugar, Coleman, Voinovich, DiMenici and Warner...all who have expressed "reservations", yet still obstruct. Add those to the list and now we're at 58.

Who are the remaining two???

Sunnunu? Alexander? The pressure then really mounts on their side as once the 60 level is hit, then it creates the real showdown...the boooshie veto. If that happens, his war for profit gets defunded...by his own stubborness. Or he'll have to negotiate...which he'll never do. In the middle are more Repugnicans and his base crumbles further.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:02 AM
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16. Well, this is one rare time McConnell has it right...
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 11:03 AM by Wednesdays
"Mitch McConnell, the Republican Minority leader is objecting in response. He compares the ongoing debate to the movie Casablanca..."

He's right. Casablanca...which takes place in a country occupied by Nazi thugs...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:02 AM
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17. GOP needs to join the reality-based world -- maybe "detention" from recess will help
this isn't theater -- this is the way debate was meant to work.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:18 AM
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18. why doesn't...
he just not allow a vote on the defense bill at all until the troops come home?
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