Naysayers: What more do you want?

We had bipartisan support for Levin/Reed, Reid will reintroduce it as many times as he needs to pass it (which is why he changed his vote on it), and he will hold up the Defense Funding Authorization act until Levin/Reed passes.

What else should he do?

It is time for the pukes to cave on this one.

The "duopoly" must be outlawed so that Republicans can have a permanent majority.

and still not satisfy the naysayers.

far more readily then they do things that are of sound reasoning, logic, strategy and intellect.

So an act like that on his part might actually work for them.

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they're all for it. Now Now Now--just make it happen now! No middle ground, no consensus! That's for wimps and corporate warmongers!

Secretary Robert McNamara's office at the Pentagon to protest the U.S. policy in Vietnam. (Mcnamara could have seen it happening outside his window, apparently, although I cannot remember whether McNamara actually witnesssed Morrison's self-immolation.)

Morrison's gesture so touched Ho Chi Minh that in several radio addresses to the people of Vietnam, Ho referred to Morrison's example to illustrate to the Vietnamese people that there was a crucial distinction between the policies of the U.S. government in Southeast Asia and the attitudes of the American people (so the Vietnamese people would not blame the American people en masse for the atrocities our government was perpetrating on them).

I'm sure people referred to John Brown's actions at Harper's Ferry as "insane and irrational" too, although history has vindicated Brown for the most part. Frederick Douglass sure didn't view Brown's actions as "insane and irrational." Instead Doublass was in awe of Brown's degree of commitment to abolitionism.

And say, "How about the Senate gets to vote on whatever bill the winner of a game of rochambeau wants. I'll go first." And then Reid kicks him "squar" in the nuts.

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I hope he holds true on that and can hold out and stick to it. The pressure and threats will loom large I am sure.

... some good television. We need to show some balls on prime time and engage the sleeping and uninformed.

This is the reality t.v. I would happily tune in top view!

Sorry, but all of this bullshit grandstanding with a bill that has no chance in hell of being signed, even if it passes, is just bullshit and blather. The real truth of the matter is that the Dems, exercising the power of the purse, could hold up every single supplemental war funding bill in committee and bring the troops home. No vote, not signature necessary, just a collective spine on the part of the Dems. Hell, more Americans are for defunding than are opposed to it, once again proving that the people lead, not our so called "leaders".<http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/030107_Bush_Iraq_Iran_web.pdf>

Defunding is the most certain, easiest and most iron clad way of getting the troops home. Why don't the Dems pursue it. Instead, they use up all of their energy on non=binding resolutions, bills that have no chance of being signed, and continue to fund the war anyway. Don't you think that it is high time that the Dems stopped fucking around and end this war?

Why don't you spend 5 minutes in the greatest area?

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Which will last about as long as the last time the Dems tried to hold up funding. Sorry, but we're waaaay past temporary measures. Yet sadly, as soon as Reid gets the vote he wants, the money will flow, the war will grind on, and Bush won't sign a damn thing, leaving absolutely nothing of consequence changed.

and Bush keeps it going, anyway? Only now, the underfunded, underequipped, under-rested troops have even less of what they need.

Do you really put that past Bush? I don't.

In fact they will probably beat the Dems to the table on impeachment.

We cannot be held hostage by the fear of what might Bush do, that will only increase the body count. We must press on with ending the war, and let Bush do what he will. He is not omnipotent, he is a mere man. Defund the war and bring the troops home. If Bush tries something stupid, haul him out of office. Timidity will kill you every time.

the only way to end the war politically is with a bipartisan compromise. The Repukes will not abandon Bush until he openly defies them, which he eventually will. The Repukes will not go along with defunding, they will HAMMER the Democrats with that.

Kucinich is wrong on this.

Before you realize that Kucinich and others in the anti-war movement are right? How many lives are you willing to throw on the pyre of politics?

The Dems have made absolutely zero progress on ending the war, and they don't look like they're going anywhere soon. You know, they say that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting a different result everytime. Sorry, but I'm way beyond engaging in this collective form of Democratic insanity.

democracy, for better or for worse. No, Kucinich and others in the antiwar movement are not right about this. Simply pulling the funds is not the answer to ending the war any easier or quicker. It doesn't force Bush to do ANYTHING. This HAS to be legislated, or he could leave the troops there as long as he wanted, and every death would be blamed on Democratic obstructionism. Once it is legislated then if he defies Congress, he can and will be removed.

off all supply lines and avenues of retreat and prevent re-supply of U.S. forces by air, forcing the surrender en masse of 160,000 U.S. troops. That would also end the war.

The point I am making is that the two wings of American imperialism (Repukes and Dems) are trying to forge some way of retreating "with honor" and preventing the out-and-out collapse of American imperialism.

Defunding the war might very well not lead to bringing the troops home. Defunding the war and bringing the troops home could be two different tasks.

I think you get the troops out first, then you defund. I don't see where simply holding up funding will force Bush or the Republicans to do anything. The Democrats will get hammered politically if they do that.

I'm honestly more worried about the troops than the political ramifications. Imagine what it would be like for them if things got worse.

Because Bush would just steal all the money in it to continue the war.

It would be the 'Pugs leading the charge to bring the man down. There are rules and regs in place concerning such things, and frankly Bush isn't some omnipotent god who can do as he will. There are certain bounds that he can cross that will bring down the wrath of everybody on his ass, and fucking with the Pentagon budget is one of them.

What Pugs are you talking about??????

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He'd take it from anywhere but his rich cronies.

Let the Dutch or Canadians or somebody police the world.

If the thugs want to keep the troops in Iraq...the Senate doesn't get to go home either.

Tough titties.

I will once I see a pattern emerge that he's truly planning to work and do his job, otherwise he's still on probation.

There are a lot of other important legislative priorities he needs to take action on, not just Iraq funding.

They guy has screwed around for the last several years costing us valuable time. Doing one thing right doesn't convince me he's the right person to be leading my party in the Senate.

Thank him and the chances of him doing it again increase. That's classical conditioning.

You're not giving him a blank check. It's an acknowledgment of one right action. :)

lol

:toast:

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:hi:

Tell us what time period (beginning and ending year) and explain through 2006 what Reid did not do that he could have done and didn't do.

He's been majority leader since January.

... SwampRat? Got any visuals for me on this? :)

:rofl:

Part water-spew, part breathless laughter, and the very beginning of a tear--or something.

This won't cover it, but :rofl: :thumbsup:

:spank:

until all the troops are home from Iraq.

keep making them vote for king george and against America


I'm a naysayer, que no?

Washington DC-style "progress", to be sure. But what other style
can we realistically hope for?

Nay saying, nay saying, rah rah rah!

I mean boo boo boo! ;-)

(Actually, all I ask is that he keep doing it.)

the spending bills. No complaints. Some of us "naysayers" are happy with such actions.