After the Duke mess I am glad that no one will be rushing to convict Vick

No far from it I am sure. Aside from how heinous the allegations are they are still allegations so I am just suuuuuuuure that all the networks will have a line of pundits and experts to remind us how he is innocent until proven guilty.

I am just suuuuuure that all the people who got on the airwaves and made such asses of themselves :hi: in the Duke case will afford Michael Vick the outcome of their lessons learned.

:rofl:

The difference is the Feds investigated and then indicted... Nifong indicted and then investigated...


And the "presumption of innocence" exists in a courtroom and even there it is essentially theoretical...

He deliberately kept himself away from the alibi evidence, etc. All he really did was take the accuser's statements, and collected (but didn't read) the hospital report. That's not an investigation.

I always thought "there's more to this. If he didn't have a lot he wouldn't indict," but in the end he really had nothing at all. It seems impossible that he would do what he did. He seemed a very intelligent and reasonsable man, but at this point, I think the system has to throw the book at him because what he did was indefensible.

It has everything to do with what he's accused of. Animal cruelty makes many people (including me) lose perspective.

If he's convicted, I hope he never sees the outside of a prison again in his life.

Is dog fighting a black thing? I had never heard that.

EDIT: Clarified subject.

I'm confused.

Have you missed the coverage on the white wrestler? Same thing. It's not racist, it's just stupid.

Peripheral criminal activities typically occurring include organized crime, racketeering, drug distribution, or gangs. Dog fighting events often serve to facilitate gambling and drug trafficking. As with other criminal enterprises, communities suffer from the unlawful activities which become an unwholesome part of the neighborhood culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting_in_the_United_States

you know the media loves to watch the high and mighty fall.

I hope like hell the allegations aren't true, but it doesn't look good. At any rate, something bad was going on at his property, and his half-assed explanations aren't sitting well with me. At the least his associations are extremely depraved, stupid and inadvisable, so I'm done with him, he pissed a very good thing away.

So many incidents that I got bored reading them. Are you kidding me? Dude, I am always on the side of innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt - but this guy is guilty guilty guilty.

I have zero tolerance for people who "get off" killing dogs. It's one tiny step below being a mass murderer.

federal investigation, I trust this is a wee bit better than the Nifong mess. federal prosecutors have a 95% conviction rate. While he is certainly innocent until proven guilty, this isn't a financial crime, where it's some interpretation of a statute. I have no doubt there is evidence linking Vick to the dogfighting on his property. He must have known it was illegal, and if they can link him to it, he's SOL.

as for the duke comparison. We learned that, at the least, the players were cads who were verbally abusive to strippers they had hired for a team party. So what will we learn, at the least, about vick? that he's an asshole who at least breeds dogs for fighting?

But I agree with what you said...

Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse.

As long as Vick knew this was going on (and judging it was on his property, I'd say he probably did) he's SOL.

None of the three were shown to have done anything more than attending a party where OTHER student(s) were verbally abusive. And only one of the three was even involved in hiring a stripper.

we learned that they are friends with, and voluntarily associate with, people who verbally abuse strippers. by your friends we shall know ye.

who your team members are if you're a member of a sports team.

Two of the boys left the party soon after the strippers got there. They clearly weren't interested in the whole thing.

Much lower than rape.

Vick has been under investigation for quite awhile and a grand jury has already returned an indictment against him. He's innocent until proven guilty, but the evidence around him is pretty solid, to say the least (see: Carting dozens of scarred dogs off his property, breeding "rape stands," tiny, inhumane cages, etc. In the Duke case, you had a stripper saying these guys raped me and a good number of folk, without having any evidence at all, just figured they were guilty. In fact, there's a small but significant number of people here who I think really wanted them to be guilty.

And others still haven't accepted the State attorney general's proclamation of their innocence.

:popcorn:

prosecutor won't even consider?

And from a story I just read if he's guilty someone ought to tie him down, douse him with water and taser him. I'm serious!

Tell me how this jerk is innocent? Tell me how he doesn't know what the hell is going on on his own property?

When a Bad Newz Kennels dog was wounded in a losing fight, NFL star Michael Vick was consulted before the animal was doused with water and electrocuted.

That’s just one of the gruesome details that emerged Tuesday when the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three others were indicted by a federal grand jury.

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The 18-page indictment, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, alleged the 27-year-old Vick and his co-defendants began the dogfighting operation in early 2001, the former Virginia Tech star’s rookie year as the No. 1 pick.

The operation was centered at a property Vick owned in Surry County, where a fence shielded prying eyes from the back, and the two-story brick home was surrounded by fencing in the front, with several black buildings further back.

Unlike previous documents, which did not name Vick, the indictment is littered with his name, including this tidbit — Vick was known as “Ookie” in the dogfighting world.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19814494/