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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 10:52 AM Original message |
What punishment is appropriate for animal torturers? |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think animal cruelty is just as reprehensible as child abuse. |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
29. I agree and couldn't care less, as some do, whether it means he'll hurt a human being or not. n/t |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. And elder abuse |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. Abuse is frequently inter-linked |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Should be similar to child molesters |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. i think this is just plain silly |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Have you read the indictment? |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. yes indictments exist to make the accused sound bad, don't they? |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. I don't think we should need to depend on beliefs, there must be studies.... |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. There are studies |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. "dog fighting is not a nice thing to do" ? |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. dog-fighting + torture = spitting on the sidewalk? |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. you disagree with that statement? in what way is dogfighting a nice thing to do? EOM |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It's a violent, sociopathic thing to do |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. i'm fairly sure that being violent and sociopathic is considered "not nice" |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Right, it's "not nice" to murder, it's "not nice" to rape |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. dog fighting is NOT brutality of the highest form,murder is much worse in my view |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Now now Johnny, electrocuting that doggy wasn't very nice..... |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
41. "not nice" is a profound understatement, bordering on flippancy |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. one of those dogs getting loose would not be a danger to children or vulnerable elders? |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. That's a non-sequitor |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. I don't think it is. This is the sort of thing that has an impact on the rest of society. |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Ok, I might have misunderstood you |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. yes. That's what I was trying to say. But I'll admit that I find the desire to |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. why do you support animal abuse? |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
48. Crock of Crap |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Well, yes, it is an indicatory of cruelty. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. No, one IS cruel. The other IS venting. |
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koopie57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
89. I'm not sure how you know what the future holds for Mr Vick. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
6. For the first offense, I'd say a massive fine. |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Out of curiousity |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Because I'm not bloodthirsty and vindictive. |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Animal Cruely is Indicator of Future Violent Offense |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. That's exactly the sort of witchhunt bullshit I'm talking about. |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Correlation plus logical connection does equal causation. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. LOL |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
69. Ignore Him |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I never said there wasn't a correlation... |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Can strong correlation ever create an inference of causation? |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Good response. But you cannot expect reason from someone who believes |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. In fairness, I don't think he said it was OK |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. Yeah, I'm not juggling kittens. |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. see posts #60 & 65 |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-20-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. You're misinterpreting the data. |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
60. More |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
84. So if you're rich it's ok to pay some big bucks and continue like photo radar? |
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MousePlayingDaffodil (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. The crimes for which Vick has been indicted . . . |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Upon conviction, I think a more appropriate punishment |
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MousePlayingDaffodil (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. Well, I believe that the federal statute in question. . . |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Yeah, I know that my solution won't happen |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
8. Severity of punishment should match the severity of the crime on conviction |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. I agree |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
11. It should be a Federal (felony) crime... |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. in most cases murder is not a federal crime, but a state crime |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
33. I will have to challenge that.. See Title 18 Chapter 51 of the US Criminal Code |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. where is the challenge, it is explicit that murder is quite often NOT a federal crime |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Ok.. what states have "murder" defined as a misdemeanor rather than a felony ? -nt |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. the creation of a federal offense is not necessarily precluded |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
12. What they do is wrong & immoral |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. I bring up the threat to people |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
44. . |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
51. well the OP apparently doesn't think it is violent and immoral "enough" |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You are misrepresenting my position |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
22. i think many of you should be glad that you're alive now rather than in the 1880s |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
42. trust me, I am thrilled to not be in the 1880's |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
27. Give them a degree and a lab |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
31. You really don't want ME to answer that! |
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Ino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
38. Do unto them as they did unto the animal. (n/t) |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
40. IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. A long prison sentence for animal cruelty? That wouldn't happen |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. In This Case, I Have a Solution |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
50. I am never in favor of the Mikado "Let the punshment fit the crime" literally, but |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
58. How much you want to bet that the judge finds probation and a small fine "appropriate"? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
59. 3-7 years for serious offenses |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. fair enough, but |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
61. I'd go with a STIFF fine and probation to 1 year in prison for a first offense, |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. I think a long prison term would be good |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
74. Make them listen to lectures from animal rights activists 12 hours a day. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Or |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Nope. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
77. they shouLd make them become boxers |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
78. Certainly jail time and fines |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
80. Cleaning litter boxes the rest of their lives |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
81. Death |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
82. I don't know. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
83. V is for Vendetta. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
85. Real jail time. Maybe 1/2 of what someone would get |
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michaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
86. If you would do this to a defenseless dog you would have no qualms.... |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
87. In the state of Illlinois... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
88. Wrap 'em in bacon, tie 'em to a post... |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
90. As awful as you can legally do. People who torture animals are sociopaths |
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tulip (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
91. Prison, Public Humiliation & Banned from the NFL |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
92. SERIOUS JAIL TIME. nt |
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