"a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran"

July 16, 2007

Impeach Now
Or Face the End of Constitutional Democracy

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran.

Bush has put in place all the necessary measures for dictatorship in the form of "executive orders" that are triggered whenever Bush declares a national emergency. Recent statements by Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff, former Republican senator Rick Santorum and others suggest that Americans might expect a series of staged, or false flag, "terrorist" events in the near future.

Many attentive people believe that the reason the Bush administration will not bow to expert advice and public opinion and begin withdrawing US troops from Iraq is that the administration intends to rescue its unpopular position with false flag operations that can be used to expand the war to Iran.

http://counterpunch.org/roberts07162007.html

http://counterpunch.org/roberts07162007.html

And do not expect to vote in the '08 elections (except maybe on a local level).

All of those 'signing statements' coupled with the PATRIOT Act have given the Foolish One the power to suspend said elections in the event of a 'national emergency'.

We are wholly beholden to the current administration for our, and our decendents's government.

Whatever government they choose is the one America will be for decades, or generations, to come.

The Constitutional government that was founded in 1776 is effectively null and void because our damned Congress decided it should be so.

Thank your wonderful representatives for allowing the glorious gift of a Republican dictatorial government.


( I know a lot of you still have hope. Fine. But I don't anymore. I did until recently but it's finally time to let go of hope and accept reality.)

The New Enlightenment has a nice article on this: http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

Welcome to DU! :hi:

if Bush-Cheney try to implement martial law could it backfire on them?

Could someone or some group in the military command structure decide to push them aside once it's been implemented?

:shrug:

(Just thinking aloud here)

think Bush could really impose martial law? Sometimes I think, yes and sometimes, no. He certainly seems to have structured things via the Patriot Act and his various directives,executives orders and signing statements to do so but...........I just want him impeached and back on the ranch clearing brush for the rest of his miserable life.

I just see what Bush-Cheney have done so far, what their aims are, and who they seem to model themselves after (i.e. their best buddies seem to be aristocratic and military dictators).

My hunch is that it would be difficult for the reason that if they tried to openly suspend democracy then there would be no need for civilian leadership and hence in theory the Joint Chiefs or whoever could push them out of the way and take over.

They have been planning this for many years and have their plans in place , I doubt if they will just give it up and go away silently into the ether .

Our military can't control a Nation the size of Texas. Frankly the United States is just too large for even its own military forces to occupy effectively. Plus there's the problems of the armed populace across the breadth of the country to complicate matters.

Martial law in America would end up a lot like Prohibition. A dangerous, crazy time marked by extremes of crime and violence... but the people will not be controlled, and it will end in dismal failure.

the amero-so if you want to eat and feed your family, you join the military and receive ameros-or if you resist you go to citizen detainee labor camps-either way you work for the * dictator--of course Congress would be dissolved asap....

They have more bullets, bio-chem weapons, nukes,ear drum bursting devices to control pesky revolutionaries...
* can pay anyone any amount to do his and cheney's bidding.

This is deeply disturbing to say the least!!!

Fear IS the mind-killer. It is the phrase "what if..." whispered in hushed, fearful tones that has gotten us where we are today. Fuck what if.

a new resident and am amazed at the size of this state. When I think that even with the mercenaries we only have 300,000+ troops, I know why Iraq isn't working.

eom

http://www.620kpoj.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast

helderheid had posted it a few seconds after i posted this thread.

by Butler Shaffer

"If one takes the trouble to examine the matter from the perspective of the machinations that dominate all political behavior, the answer becomes apparent. Though Republicans and Democrats have their personal and minor policy differences, they are in agreement on one basic point: their “bipartisan” support for the preservation and aggrandizement of the power of the state. They understand – as do members of the mainstream media – that their principal obligation is to serve the well-being of the political power structure that long ago laid uncontested claim to the ownership of modern society.

The interests of Democratic and Republican officials alike are best served by the maximization of political power. If “government” is defined as an agency enjoying a monopoly on the lawful use of force within a given territory, what politically ambitious person would not want to enjoy as much of that power as he or she can muster? And since such a purpose not only suits the interests of the ruling establishment, but defines its existence, a symbiotic relationship between these two groups is easily fashioned.

Because the state and its de facto owners thrive on the exercise of force, any circumstance that enhances the power of government will be embraced and eagerly pursued."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer160.html

There's a difference between what Shaffer describes and what the booooshies may -- and I only say "may" -- be trying to engineer. At least in my personal opinion.

When the state is merely an apparatus of a small ruling elite, whether that SRE is a royal family, a military junta, or a fascist dictatorship, that's one thing. At the present moment, we don't quite have that. . . . yet. Maybe we're on our way there, but we haven't reached it. We still have a reasonable expectation of relatively free national elections scheduled for November 2008. While the more cynical among us may consider those elections all a sham and may see little to no difference between the candidates of the two major parties, it's still a ways away from an outright dictatorship.

Because we don't have that kind of instrument in place yet, "the power of the government" is not yet identical to the power of the SRE. Identical to a ruling elite, yes, I'll grant you that much. But it's still not entirely under the control of the SRE; if it were, the elections of 2006 would not have come out the way they did.

Indeed, those elections did not "enhance the power" of the boooosh/cheeeeney government. Those elections did not push the nation inexorably and measurably closer to fascist rule. Do we have fascists in the government, in the administration, in the courts? Of course we do. But do we have a fascist government? No, not yet. And as long as we don't have it yet, there is the hope that we may not get it.

As much as we may complain about the spinelessness of the current Democratic majority in congress, they at least provide a mechanism for opposition. While they may as individuals have many of the same perspectives and even objectives as their gop counterparts, there are still many, many policy differences.

If there are similarities between the Democrats and the gooopers, there are also parallel similarities between right- and left-leaning libertarians. IMESHO, the pro-individual-rights (especially property rights), anti-community-rights aspect of both right- and left-leaning libertarianism leads to the same end, and I don't want any part of that kind of I-got-mine-now-you-can-go-scratch culture. I would, in fact, much prefer a government with enhanced powers -- powers to provide health care for all, provide quality education for all, provide regulation of corporations and air quality and food safety and so on.

Tansy Gold, unabashed socialist

Consider the new laws that are about to require a passport to even cross into Canada or Mexico.

Consider also that there have been massive problems and delays in getting passport applications processed, due to "unexpectedly high demand." :eyes:

What if these delays are deliberate -- basically, if the government is making sure that passports don't get issued until after the new laws go into effect. That way, should a "national emergency" conveniently take place before the 2008 elections, and Bush declare martial law for the indefinite future (and start locking opponents up under the "enemy combatant" law), those trying to flee the country would be turned back at the border for lack of a valid passport. There would simply be no escape.

:scared:

You are a realist.
I agree with everything you put forth as not only
possible, but probable.
Keep as much cash on hand as possible.
Non currency precious metal is not a bad idea either,
especially if the US dollar has no value and you
are trying to leave the country through "underground" channels.

BHN

there are so many ways this could backfire politically and military that I actually welcome it as a self destructive course of action that will sweep the neo-cons from power completely.


How will the higher gas prices and possible recession help incumbant Republicans?

As these investigations boil more of these lies and criminal acts to the surface the more apt the pressure may create sooner than expected distractions . Whether these are false flag or ignored attacks .

Each day it seems we find more bush power grabs as we have seen just in the last week .

It's possibly how hard we push before they react to put us in out places through fear .

That said, it can only follow another, bigger attack on the US, in the US.

and impeachment is not the only way to stop a police state.

And I'm NOT going disco dancing.

Seriously I don't know if congress could remove these guys from office if they really NEEDED to. It seems congress is coming around too late. As much as we protest, sign petitions, call our senators, etc. it never seems to be enough. I believe that the more this administration gets exposed and threatened with hearings and impeachment the sooner they'll panic and turn our attention elsewhere. This should sound all too familiar. They have prepared for this and are ready to take steps. They've been planning this before the election. Read 'operation clean break' and notice the date it was created. Everything so far has happened just as they wrote it. I swear it's countdown time until we nuke Iran - Then it's all over. Gas will be 10.00 a gallon right away. We don't believe that another depression could really happen to us.
China and Russia will join Iran in fighting against us - we think we're unsafe now?
Then it will be too late to stop or turn anything around.

We have to work twice as hard now to make sure this doesn't become a reality.

. . .to enforce the terms of the contract.

Pelosi's "off the table" edict is a reprehensible attempt to take away our means of enforcement.

Those who break the law don't destroy a legal system. It is those who refuse to carry out the duties the system relies on that destroy.

It is not the violations of the Constitution that are devastating. It is the refusal to ENFORCE that is our undoing.

Tragically, "We have met the enemy and he is us." (Pogo, 1971)

Most live in their small world so they do not know as people in other countries what the value of democracy is and that it is an obligation for each citizen to protect this country from dictators. But so long they believe it is unpatriotic to question authorities, no hope. Sorry.

A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall

Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, where have you been, my darling young one?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains,
I've walked and I've crawled on six crooked highways,
I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests,
I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans,
I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin',
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin',
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
And what did you hear, my darling young one?
I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin',
Heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world,
Heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin',
Heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin',
Heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin',
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter,
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, who did you meet, my blue-eyed son?
Who did you meet, my darling young one?
I met a young child beside a dead pony,
I met a white man who walked a black dog,
I met a young woman whose body was burning,
I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow,
I met one man who was wounded in love,
I met another man who was wounded with hatred,
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what'll you do now, my darling young one?
I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin',
I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest,
Where the people are many and their hands are all empty,
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters,
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison,
Where the executioner's face is always well hidden,
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten,
Where black is the color, where none is the number,
And I'll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it,
And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it,
Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin',
But I'll know my song well before I start singin',
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

~Bob Dylan
Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music

:toast:

Which is fucking sad. :mad:

governments should be afraid of their people. Since congress refuses to do the job we hired them to do, it's about fucking time that WE THE PEOPLE give this inbred retard administration something to fear.

Democrats's big talk and threats are obviously just that. EMPTY THREATS!!!!!!!!!!!
IF THERE WAS ANY INTENT TO REMEDY THE SITUATION IT WOULD BE IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW, NOT EMPTY THREATS!!!!

This says to me that our Congress knows they have lost the United States of America and it's constitution.

We are no longer a Democracy but a sham dictatorship just as the Soviet Union used to be.


Say goodbye to your freedoms because OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE SHITTED THEM DOWN THE TOILET FOR US!!!

Action would have been taken long ago if any action was intended.

I mean, he's a CURRENT Admin official! Why would he run at the mouth like that?!