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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:20 PM
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Brit PM drops 'War on Terror' BS term



Brown drops 'war on terror,' redefining the fight
By David Rieff
Sunday, July 22, 2007

When terrorists tried to blow up civilians in London and Glasgow, Gordon Brown, the new British prime minister, responded in his own distinctive way.

What had just been narrowly averted, he said, was not a new jihadist act of war but instead a criminal act. As if to underscore the point, Brown instructed his ministers that the phrase "war on terror" was no longer to be used and, indeed, that officials were no longer even to employ the word "Muslim" in connection with the terrorism crisis.

In remarks to reporters, Brown's new home secretary, Jacqui Smith, articulated the basic message. "Let us be clear," she said, "terrorists are criminals, whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religions."

Is the war on terror really a war? President George W. Bush certainly continues to insist that it is, and a war of existential survival at that, although his administration has recently substituted the term "the long war" for "global war on terrorism." In the past, political figures who denied that the West was locked in a war tended not to get much of a hearing.


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/22/news/terror.php
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:21 PM
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1. Hmmm....Chimpy ain't gonna like that
:popcorn:

(As an aside, I really like Gordon Brown's voice.)
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:22 PM
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2. Wow. Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister! (n/t)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:25 PM
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4. great toon--too bad it's true.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:24 PM
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3. Good grief! Sanity? Mr. Brown must have a lovely daughter.
:silly:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:57 PM
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12. The police to deal w/ a criminal matter .... what a concept
Damn you now I have an earworm.

MRS. BROWN YOU'VE GOT A LOVELY DAUGHTER


(Trevor Peacock)

Mrs. Brown you've got a lovely daughter
Girls as sharp as her are somethin' rare
But it's sad, she doesn't love me now
She's made it clear enough it ain't no good to pine

She wants to return those things I bought her
Tell her she can keep them just the same
Things have changed, she doesn't love me now
She's made it clear enough it ain't no good to pine

Walkin' about, even in a crowd, well
You'll pick her out, makes a bloke feel so proud

If she finds that I've been round to see you (round to see you)
Tell her that I'm well and feelin' fine (feelin' fine)
Don't let on, don't say she's broke my heart
I'd go down on my knees but it's no good to pine

Walkin' about, even in a crowd, well
You'll pick her out, makes a bloke feel so proud

If she finds that I've been round to see you (round to see you)
Tell her that I'm well and feelin' fine (feelin' fine)
Don't let on, don't say she's broke my heart
I'd go down on my knees but it's no good to pine

Mrs. Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)
Mrs. Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)
Mrs. Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)
Mrs. Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:10 PM
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14. A Herman's Hermits earworm is one of the more annoying.
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 10:12 PM by TahitiNut
:rofl:

Here's 'nother ..
I'm Henery the Eighth, I am!
Henery the Eighth I am! I am!
I got married to the widow next door,
She's been married seven times before.
Every one was an Henery
She wouldn't have a Willie or a Sam
NO SAM!
I'm her eighth old man named Henery
Henery the Eighth I am.

:evilgrin:

(Send an earworm to KILL an earworm.)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:29 PM
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15. second verse same as the first ... and every one was an 'enery ....
MINISTER BROWN YOU'VE GOT A LOVELY DAUGHTER

(Trevor Peacock)

Minister. Brown you've got a lovely daughter
Girls as sharp as her are somethin' rare
But it's sad, she doesn't love me now
She's made it clear enough it ain't no good to pine

She wants to return those things I bought her
Tell her she can keep them just the same
Things have changed, she doesn't love me now
She's made it clear enough it ain't no good to pine

Walkin' about, even in a crowd, well
You'll pick her out, makes a bloke feel so proud

If she finds that I've been round to see you (round to see you)
Tell her that I'm well and feelin' fine (feelin' fine)
Don't let on, don't say she's broke my heart
I'd go down on my knees but it's no good to pine

Walkin' about, even in a crowd, well
You'll pick her out, makes a bloke feel so proud

If she finds that I've been round to see you (round to see you)
Tell her that I'm well and feelin' fine (feelin' fine)
Don't let on, don't say she's broke my heart
I'd go down on my knees but it's no good to pine

Minister Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)
Minister Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)
Minister Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)
Minister Brown you've got a lovely daughter (lovely daughter)





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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:30 PM
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5. He is correct. It is a criminal matter
Here's to PM Brown! :toast:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:41 PM
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6. K5R.
Maybe there is a sanity clause.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:43 PM
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7. Just when I thought Brown was another Blairite, he surprises me.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:46 PM
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8. Why that traitor
Now we have to change to Freedom Muffins and Old Freedom Sheepdogs.

:rofl:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:33 AM
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22. LOL!
And Freedom and Chips. And Freedom Fluid as the new term for rain (as that's what Britain seems to be most noted for right now!)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:14 PM
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9. got it up on digg first so I tweeked the headline a bit:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:39 PM
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10. Kick. The War on Terror was created by this Administration to spread FEAR.
The color coded Terror alert will come back again late this fall or early winter.
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JacquesMolay Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:42 PM
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11. I guess it's harder to 'build brand' in England.
Or maybe it's appeal ran out.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:01 PM
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13. Good for Gordy!
I knew the Brits wouldn't keep following our insanity forever.

As for us, it's only a matter of time before one of our usual suspects comes into this thread and accuses him of having his "head in the sand about the threat of Islamofascism" or somesuch...
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:10 AM
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16. They actually did this in Dec 2006, if not earlier
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 09:12 AM by muriel_volestrangler
but they like reminding people about it:

Britain stops talk of 'war on terror'


Foreign Office has asked ministers to ditch the phrase invented by Bush to avoid stirring up tensions within the Islamic world

Jason Burke
Sunday December 10, 2006
The Observer

Cabinet ministers have been told by the Foreign Office to drop the phrase 'war on terror' and other terms seen as liable to anger British Muslims and increase tensions more broadly in the Islamic world.

The shift marks a turning point in British political thinking about the strategy against extremism and underlines the growing gulf between the British and American approaches to the continuing problem of radical Islamic militancy. It comes amid increasingly evident disagreements between President George Bush and Tony Blair over policy in the Middle East.

Experts have welcomed the move away from one of the phrases that has most defined the debate on Islamic extremism, but called it 'belated'.
...
A Foreign Office spokesman said the government wanted to 'avoid reinforcing and giving succour to the terrorists' narrative by using language that, taken out of context, could be counter-productive'. The same message has been sent to British diplomats and official spokespeople around the world.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1968668,00.html


On edit: seems Brown was one of the last British ministers to use it:

"Though neither Blair nor Margaret Beckett, the Foreign Secretary, has used the term 'war on terror' in a formal speech since June, President Bush continues to employ the term liberally.
...
Not all British government figures are abiding by the advice, issued by the Foreign Office's Engaging with the Islamic World Unit. Writing in the Sun recently, Gordon Brown, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, referred to 'our police and armed forces in the front line of the war on terror'."
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:14 AM
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17. thank you Prime Minister for not buying into the lies.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:39 PM
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18. What are the ramifications of the invasion and occupation of Iraq in the context of the PM's
take on the war on terror? Criminal acts?
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:11 PM
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19. Unfortunately
Unfortunately, this doesn't mean the right-wing press will stop using the term.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:10 PM
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20. "a criminal act". This was exactly what the argument was
shortly after 9/11. The attacks were a criminal act. If they had been pursued as such can you imagine what would have happened when the incestuous relationship of Bush to the Saudis and Bin Laden was exposed...... :nuke: :nuke:

Brown is a breath of fresh air. He has also decided to turn the war powers act previously granted to his office over to the Commons. He is pissing Bush off big time.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:29 AM
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21. War on ANGER just doesn't sound strong enough I guess.
As though you can fight anger by making people angrier anyway.
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