I just got back from weekend in a Republican enclave...they HATE Bush

Okay, so maybe it's not accurate to call our weekend place a "Republican enclave." Trouble is, there are LOTS of Republicans there because of the fact that it is neighborhood of "weekend places." Let's face it, the fact of the matter is when you're in the weekend home category, "Republican" tends to come up.

All that class-ist bullshit aside, I have to share this...in talking to some weekend acquaintances, one fact was abundantly clear...EVERYONE...and I mean EVERYONE hates Bush. Everyone. Did I mention "Everyone?" The point is, I know some seriously republican friends who've given Bush a pass in the past who are now calling the man a deranged psychopath.

So here's my question to Nancy Pelosi...why is impeachment off the table?

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They don't want Bush associated with the Republican party when November 2008 arrives. Bush appears a very large liability. The independents strongly disapprove of Bush and the Republican party, and your friends appear scared.

YOUR FRIENDS APPEAR SCARED.

You cannot separate Bush from the Republican party. Many Republican presidential candidates come from this Republican cesspool.

Do you really believe independent voters don't realize that this not only involves Bush but the cesspool of the Republican party that Bush came from?

YOUR FRIENDS APPEAR SCARED. SCARED THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY EXTRA TAXES TO HELP THE POOR, EXTRA TAXES TO HELP THE UNEMPLOYED, THE DISABLED, THE ELDERLY RETIRED, AND GOD FORBID SCARED THAT CONGRESS WILL REPEAL AND REPLACE MEDICARE PART D WITH SOMETHING BETTER AND ALSO IMPLEMENT SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

YOUR FRIENDS APPEAR SCARED!! MY FRIEND.

SCARED OF SOCIALIZED MEDICINE LOL. WE already have socialized policing and firefighting. I don't see why they get so scared about socialized medicine. LOL These stupid Republicans have to have the profit motive in everything. Can you imagine if we had private police and firefighters exclusively and no government policing and firefighting?


Ghod your friends appear scared and stupid. Let them go back to their Republican cesspool and complain. I don't care. I just hope we Democrats don't nominate a DLC Democrat.

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AIPAC (The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee), undeniably the most powerful single -issue lobbying group in D.C. is pushing HARD on War On Iran, even though Israel would not have any more REAL security, and it would be catastrophic for USA and world.

Russia/China support and would undoubtedly defend Iran!!

http://antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=10760 (AIPAC ARTICLE )

http://www.org/articles/2007/iran j14.shtml

Why it hasn't been forced to register as an agency acting on the behalf of a foreign government is beyond me.

Hey AIPAC? Israel is NOT A PART OF THIS FUCKING COUNTRY!!!!

Especially the ones in the red states. That would start to get people's attention.

the Republicans now.

Hell, when I call my Bushbot Rep who occasionally has moments of sanity and they are actually POLITE to me, I know that things are different.

They used to tolerate me. Now they seem to love me.

Things are far different now.

It is essential that their tax cuts are maintained, so they can afford their weekend homes and other luxuries, unattainable to those who are just barely able to put food on their families. :eyes:

OTOH the richie rich just be motivated to remove their deranged pResident in order to keep their party in power so that their tax cuts will be made permanent. It's all about them, always is.

Why else would someone stick by a president with such low approval ratings and is so disliked even by his own party?

Bush has the "goods" on some Dems and whatever it is he knows, they're willing to sacrifice the Constitution to keep it from coming to light.

while the most destructive president in our history spends the next year and a half finishing the job he has done on us.

And those who can do something about don't have the guts to do anything about it.

No, not Congress.

We the People.

And it's been that way a lot longer than Selection 2000.

Why couldn't we stop the the first phony Gulf War?

Why couldn't we stop the illegal Panama invasion?

Why couldn't we stop the looting of the nation's Savings & Loans?

Why couldn't we stop BCCI from funding the Pakistani bomb?

Why couldn't we stop the illegal Contra war?

Why couldn't we stop Vietnam?

Why couldn't we find the killers of Dr. Martin Luther King and the Kennedy brothers?

DOES THIS MEAN INSURRECTION??????

Seems as reasonable as anything I've heard so far....

K&R

Fox and CNN would go insane if an impeachment vote were allowed to happen.

"Impeaching a president (or Vice-president) during wartime! It's unheard of!!! (Newscaster faints)

The party started out so well
Never thought for the outside world
Seeping through the vanishing point
This beautiful snow makes angels

The closer you come the warmer it became
I feel the rush of a thousand tiny beats
Fill the heart at once

Can you feel the rush
A thousand beats fill the hearts at once
Feel the rush
A thousand hearts find a way out

I see doubt
Kiss the day goodbye
Give into the night
Everything is beautiful
Kiss the day goodbye

http://artists.letssingit.com/annie-christian-kiss-the-day-goodbye-3t79bh8

she doesn't want to look like she's doing a power grab.

well...step the fuck aside, nancy, and let conyers steer the helm for awhile- he'll get the job done for you.

and as far as nancy being afraid of being president, as randi rhodes said "tough. too bad." face it pelosi--if you were too afraid to take over you shouldn't have accepted the position!

It's that old saying - If you can't lead, follow; if you can't follow, get the hell out of the way.

I'm almost beyond worrying what HER problem is, but your exact question has addled me in trying to second-guess her. I mean, does she seriously worry about looking a little too grabby? Does she worry about her future in the Republican Party if she steps too far out of line? Just what exactly is she doing in this position?

How do you stop the war without stopping its chief advocates? How do you get a health plan going when obstructionists/champions of corporate interests are in place?

Critical though those objectives may be, does Pelosi think we and Congress are going to make any significant progress in those areas if the White House won't respond appropriately to investigative subpoenas, and orders staffers and the Justice Department to protect them in other matters? WHY WOULD THEY BE ANY MORE COOPERATIVE? Why wouldn't they stoop to equally illegal and unconstitutional means to throw wrenches into the works?

Pelosi need to be encouraged to step down as Speaker of the House.

If Bush/Cheney saw the likelihood of impeachment proceedings AND conviction, then they would follow the precedent set by Nixon. Cheney would resign, Bush would appoint a bland, unobjectionable substitute -- remember Gerald Ford? -- whom the Senate would confirm. Then Bush would resign and the new VP would become President.

just kidding. maybe she doesn't want it to seem like she's doing some sort of power grab.

besides, what if fuckhead didn't put up a bland gerald ford. what if he didn't get confirmed.

then what?

nancy...the girl who doesn't want to be president (imo)

It could get messy. It might bring up questions about their own 6+ years of acquiescence to the shredding of our Constitution and civil liberties. It might highlight the fact that they have been willing slaves to conventional wisdom and the bubble of Beltway insiderism. It might spotlight the fact that they are far removed from the concerns of the citizenry at large -- as opposed to the lobbyists on whom they depend for fattening their re-election coffers.

They know that if they actually stir the pot, all kinds of turds might rise to the surface. They know they have been complicit in their inaction and passivity, and through their own love of power.

They are pretty much all imperialists at heart -- why would they want to forcefully challenge those who have most actively pushed the imperialist project forward?

I mean, shake up the government? Why would they want to do that? That's something the rabble is into -- certainly not something that the Ruling Class wants to encourage.

sw

NOT ELECTED. BUSH HAS ALL OF THEM, BY THE B-LLS.

Why are they putting off serious election reform until 2012? I saw a thread about that on DU earlier today.

I bet the voting machines are rigged in favor of incumbents, Democrats AND Republicans...and have been for years. That's one of the things they don't want us finding out.

... and has been told that impeachment isn't good for the status quo. People might get some weird ideas about who runs things around here, and there's nothing more dangerous to an oligarchy than an empowered citizenry.

Does anyone honestly think CitiBank and ExxonMobile and General Dynamics et al only "donate" to republicans? Of course not; they hedge their bets. You can look at her corporate and interest group employers here:


http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/indus.asp?CID=N00007360&cycle=2006


And you can see her top 10 corporate or industry association "donors" here.


http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00007360&cycle=2006


Amazing that Oxi Petroleum tops the list, isn't it? And after they were busted for poisoning all those aquifers in the Central Valley a few years back. Imagine how they must have cleaned up their image such that Nancy would stoop to accept their money. And then there's vulture capitalist firm Kleiner, Perkins et al, the esteemed Colin Powell's latest employer (as of 2006). Think that $16 grand bought a little time with Nancy to discuss Colin's views on impeaching his former bosses? Think he's his usual go-along-get-along self and thinks impeachment would harm the country? Is the pope German?


You can even see an overview of Nancy's personal finances here:


http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/pfds.asp?CID=N00007360


Who would think you could make so much money as a member of Congress?


Anyway, Nancy won't impeach because she's just another member of the rich fuckers club -- just another political hack who's had her personal "peter principle" moment.

Any lofty motives ascribed to her "off the table" position are just apologist hogwash and don't stand up to even a minimal background check.


wp

Our country has been over taken by multi national banker corporatists.
Period.
Every thing is theatre to create the illusion of a two party system.
The wheel will continue to crush every thing in its path, no
matter who is in office.
Count on it.
BHN

I think the GOP are wondering how they can be saved.

They need to get their Congressmen and women to back an impeachment of the terrible twins

In 08? :shrug:

Once they're rid of the embarrasment of Bush,
they'll be right back to the Class War.

Tesha

Give me a break Nancy! Republicans who oppose Bush seem much more willing to speak out than the aristocratic Democrats who fear him, what's with that?

K&R

I never cared much for her plastic smile anyway.

it's not about legal or illegal

it's not about the Constitution

it's not about saving the country

it's about the money and power of rich white political insiders

DC is run by one class of people; their only loyalty is to their class; some of them are repukes; some of them are "democrats"

Her compound in Kennebunkport is bigger than my whole little weekend village.

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during Katrina Barbara Bush said that crazy shit about Katrina Victims not being used to something nicer than the super dome. Something like that. A 'let them eat cake' type statement.

Certainly doesn't seem like there was ever much "love"
there, that's for sure.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/21/BAGKTR4SJC3.DTL&tsp=1

Pelosi also reiterated Saturday that she would not engage in what would perhaps be the biggest confrontation possible with the White House -- seeking the impeachment of Bush over the Iraq war.

The speaker said she had "no hesitation" criticizing the president about his handling of the war, but said there were more important priorities for lawmakers -- such as health care and creating jobs -- than the divisive pursuit of impeachment.

"Look, it's hard enough for us to end the war. I don't know how we would be successful in impeaching the president," Pelosi said.

She did note that calls for the president's removal are not coming just from San Francisco.

"I'm not unsympathetic to the concern people have -- I hear it all over the country. People here have said to me, 'Well, people on the left want the president to be impeached.' I hear it across the board across the country. It's not just the left," Pelosi said.


.... So she knows it is not just the left, she admits it, pats us on the head with a "there, there" and DOES NOTHING!!!! If I was in SF Cindy would get my vote! There is NO EXCUSE for Nancy not pursuing Impeachment! NONE!

This is what I learned:

1) They thought Bush's big problem is that he is NOT conservative enough.

2) Clinton deserved to be impeached.

3) The Democratic Party is way, way, way to the left of where they were back in the 1960s.

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Or actually, we ALL LOSE if we listen to people like you.

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You poke your head in over at Freeperville, and some of them don't much care for him either. I was sorta suprised.

apparently is 6 1/2 years. much longer if you are from texas.

airport on Sunday morning. Yes, Monte Rio is sure pretty this time of year. Did they talk about cutting down their big Redwoods too?

Bought and paid for long since.

Kinda reminds me of Kerry- gung ho until the last moment, when he picked up a phone and left Edwards on the side of the road with his jaw dragging on the ground.

I'll say it again. BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.

I have no doubt Cheney's mansafes are full of blackmail materials.

Because of the wonderful things he does.

-Hoot

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enabling corporatewhorepress. I'm very pleasantly surprised by your news.

"The point is, I know some seriously republican friends who've given Bush a pass in the past who are now calling the man a deranged psychopath."

FWIW~ I know lots of Progressives with weekend homes and summer camps :)

At a group dinner recently, I found myself at the end of the table seated between two die-hard Repubs, the kind who like to carry around Ann Coulter's latest book as if it were the King James bible. One of them leaned across the table and said to the other, "Bush has betrayed the Republican Party. We're destroyed."

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