Sorry to be making so much noise but what we have here is a MEDIA problem

up until we do whatever it takes to get the mainstream news media to do their jobs we will not be able to get anything done except for maybe, hopefully, slowing down the slide. Am I right or am I wrong on this, its the media we need to concentrate on, without them our message does not get out. Of all the people I know only two of us actually get our 'news' as such, from the internet. For the most part the majority aren't hearing the truth and when they do from us who pay attention they just roll their eyes, turn away and snicker, passing us off as loonies or something such as, well, I haven't heard any of that on the 'news' so I think you're fucking batshit crazy, you know what I mean. I'm thinking most here have observed similar occurrences. Its the media we need to go after and we need to do it sooner rather than later because time is fucking running out

from Repug to Dem....(party in power gets to have more FTC on Board than minority party):-( And, until some Media Ownership laws are put into place. Right now...no one can touch it because it wouldn't get through the Senate.

waiting is out, we simply don't have the time and I'm not talking about going through the senate I'm talking in person to person, email to email or whatever, anyways ;-)

I lay this right on the doorstep of the DLC. It was the Telecommunications Reform Act that destroyed the
press in this country, not the Bush administration.

if you know what I mean. forget yesterday long enough to give thought about today and tomorrow. This is serious business, this loosing our democracy and all

Quote... "was the first major overhaul of United States telecommunications law in nearly 62 years, amending the Communications Act of 1934, and leading to media consolidation.It was approved by the 104th Congress on January 3, 1996 and signed into law on February 8, 1996 by President Bill Clinton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996


...No more Clintons, no more Bushes!!

The media has operated as an arm of the Republican Party ever since Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine.

which was actually set of related rules and decisions.

There were many other equally important regulation in place that Reagan (and later Clinton) dismantled.

This forum is the best source of info that I have. The MSM is definately a bunch of biased idiots. People like Murdoch have 'way too much influence. One hundred people die in Iraq every day, and Paris Hilton gets the main story. They need to wise up. Until then, we have each other here on DU.

we need to broaden our horizons somewhat and work to get the message out to the people that they are being mislead and out right lied too and the only way to do that is through our m$m so we have to work on the reporters the talking heads, those people

the dumbass trash in this country have been trained to "believe" only what they are told to believe.

- Kerry didn't earn his purple hearts
- Ms Plame was not covert
- there was no underlying crime
- Iraq had massive killing WMD's
- Joe Wilson is an evil liar
- Vitter has been forgiven, its none of our business
- The surge is working, we just need three more months

The examples go on and on and on where "conservatives" are force fed lies and disinformation from a well oiled machine. If a prime time anchor interviewed the Director of the CIA who unequivocally states on live TV that Plame was covert and her husbands report was accurate, the interview would be debunked the next day by limbaugh and his lemmings would lash out at the likes of me and you Madokie. BUT. I'm a bad motherfucker, I got that truth thing on my side.

our dilemma is getting that truth out to the masses of dumbasses who believe anything and everything they hear on the m$m. I thought my age and condition had prolly robbed me of my fight but Nope it did not, only stronger that ever because of knowledge of the truth

Even if we do start impeachment proceedings, the media will make sure they inform us by putting a little notice in the screen crawl. The same way they informed us about Bush's statement that he and his WH staff are above the law.

/end sarcasm

they are a disservice and pose to be harmful to the electorate.

except Keith Olberman.

At one time, there was a rule that no one corportation could own more than 7 tv stations, 7 radio stations, and 7 newspapers.
This was prior to the 1996 Telecommunications Act (which Clinton, unfortunately, signed). Those who are fans of Randi Rhodes know that she considers this Clinton's biggest mistake.
This ruling is much more important than the loss of the "fairness doctrine".
When people like Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife can buy up all of the media outlets that they want (including satellite providers), they can CONTROL THE MESSAGE and that is their goal.

The idea that the MSM was ever --- EVER -- biased toward liberals is a fairy tale. That has never been true and never will be. As long as there has been big media, it has been conservative ... all the way back, as far as you want to look.

True, every once in a while, conservatives screw up so hugely that even Big Media can't cover up for them. The MSM then turns on such people and eats them alive, but then it goes right back to promoting the status quo.

The MSM has been anti-union and anti-populist throughout its history. If the public only knew the truth about the MSM -- which is that they can't be trusted to tell the truth -- it would go a long way toward promoting skepticism about whose side the media is on.

PROPAGANDISTS ALL:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

sorry I was getting carried away there, having flashes of the group w bench in Alice's Restaurant. but yes they are and that is what we have to do is change that fact, somehow we must as our country depends on it.

Their job is to create and maintain an electronic (and even print) environment in which people are encouraged in their roles as consumers, and discouraged from their duties as citizens. Citizenship is hard, and it doesn't pay in the short term. Consumerism is easy, and it pays off immediately and continuously.

It's a real Catch-22: Television is never going to tolerate a message environment that tells people what is real, because, after all, TV depends upon unreality.

for the 4th Estate to do their "job" as defined above, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
Their studios and headquarters must be surrounded. Their remote trucks must be followed. Their talking heads must be confronted. As long as "bidness-as-usual" continues NOTHING will change.

no one likes change especially someone who is happy as thing are already

My fellow citizens STILL don't get it and I'm tired.

m$m. its not something that can be legislated at this point, there's just no time for that now.

by the many out-of-work Americans who NOW have time to recognize that their plights have been aided and abetted by a complicit, lying, distracting, corporate whore media whose modus operandi NEED to be DISRUPTED.

been singing this song a long time.

the media controls the message and the right wing controls the media.

what to do???

fox news has an affiliate in most cities that regurgitates the fox dogma day in & day out, morning, noon & nite.

against Dems by buying commercial time to play ads saying Dems are against free speech.

When they have all the megaphones, they control the message.

We have to take drastic steps to take the media back. Perhaps activists could begin to protest outside media outlets, surround the building and shout like hell. This would be covered by other media channels and might put some fear into them. Even NPR needs to be forced to report the real news.

Because THEIR JOB is making their corporate sponsors MONEY. That is their job. Their job isn't "reporting the news," it is reporting what the government says is news (and not mentioning anything they want to be ignored).

but, more significantly, building a comfortable consumer class who can't name more than 3 Democratic contenders for President, but who know lots about pro sports and brands of shampoo. This permanent consumer class will continue to grow until it's much too late for citizenship to save our Republic.

It can be hard to get a radio or tv frequency. Shouldn't be too hard with local cable, but you may want to avoid that, as well.

You're free to obtain a press and use your freedom.

Be the media. And be mainstream by racking up huge circulations.

Its the media we need to go after and we need to do it sooner rather than later...

Problem is, it's already "later". It's been "later".

I've come to the conclusion that most people simply can't wrap their heads around the depths of betrayal.

And it's not just the professional obfuscaters to whom I refer, weaponized pod people, every one. No, it's the eye-rolling "victims" themselves that have betrayed their own humanity (and yours, and mine). And they did it long ago - long before Bushco.

Was it that incident in the third grade that was the irrevocable turning point, the one that traumatized them into "going along", no matter what? Who knows? But the decision was made, and no amount of reasoned appeal or shock treatment will reverse it. This, I'm sorry to say, has been my experience. They simply will not take responsibility for their own cognitive freedom, nor do they experience the lack thereof as intolerable oppression.

Would most people knowingly endorse fraud on a Biblical scale, grand theft, mass murder, treason, etc.? No, they would not. (Unless, of course, they've been implicated in it themselves, in which case they will defend to the death their little slice of worthless, ego-based pie.)

Yes, the torches and pitchforks would have been out long ago, except for the lulling effect of Corporate McPravda. Some people pride themselves on being smarter than those dumb Bush/Fox News voters, and yet are completely taken in by the larger falsehoods. They've been telling me for years how stupid people are, and that's why it's all hopeless, to which I respond:

If one day, law enforcement arrived at every corporate news headquarters and announced that war criminal Rupert Murdoch had been arrested and was on his way to the Hague, and said "who wants to be next?", you would be astounded how quickly people got really smart!

No, it is not stupidity at the heart of the Great Betrayal - it is moral cowardice.

Yes, we need to "go after" the media (I suggest with torches and pitchforks), and we've needed to do it for years. But the denial is too deep, and most still don't get that the media is the story, or how that could be so. The 9/11 Truth Movement, rag-tag and marginalized as they are, gets it, and has initiated numerous direct actions against the media.

We discussed this the other day...and I am firmly with you on this...the Corporate Media is a major problem and will continue to be.

The problem is media consolidation...too few owners controlling large chunks of the broadcast and cable landscape. They are using public airwaves as a private country club and have rigged the game to keep competitors from threatening their special position. The FCC has become a wholly-owned subsidiary of the NAB and it's eliminated competition and diversity.

A major revision of Telcom '96 is needed and now. Someone mentioned restoring the 7's rule...that's a great start. Also shortening license renewal periods, giving preference to local applicants for licenses, once again encouraging minority ownership, making license challenges less cumbersome and expensive and break the financial strangehold these companies have on licenses and franchises that prohibit competition.

In the meantime we need to keep pumping the truth out here...through internet radio and coordinate a broadcast response similar to how the blogs have transformed the print media.

Cheers...

:hi:

watch on MSM is Keith Olbermann. I do watch MSM whenever someone like Michael Moore is on though. However, we need to get our own new net. It is difficult to get news out there if you do not have billions like the Republica owned MSM. On Internet, I come here.