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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:33 AM
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Is Gordon Brown becoming Brownie II over the Flooding in England?
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 12:42 AM by JCMach1
In all seriousness, the guy doesnt seem to get it. For days, he has been on about funding. He fumbled through an office interview of the wknd concerning the floods.

Yesterday, he visited the flood zone in an expensive business suit. He never put on waders, or examined the damage (or talked to people) in any meaningull way.

Oh, and the Murdoch crew on SKYnews are in full "FLOOD CRISIS" (that's the banner and graphics) mode.

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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:56 AM
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1. Curious

I'm wondering if Blair, or other PMs ever put on the waders. I don't ever see coverage of other countries (do they even exist?) so it's hard to compare him to prior folks.

I mean, if previous PMs got dirty, then Brown looks like a schmuck. But if it's just "not done", then maybe it's normal.

I think I'd rather have somebody onsite as fast as possible, than Bush showing up really late, but playing dress up.



PS: The do they exist bit is obviously sarcasm directed at the US media's ability to report on anything happening outside of the USA's borders.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:34 AM
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2. What would be the point of him putting on waders?
He'd only get in the way. He's a politician, not a flood rescue professional. If he wandered around in waders, we'd only laugh. I think he has more sense than to turn this into a photo op.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:55 AM
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3. That's just image... there seems to be a real disconnect
with what's going on...

And that's really not good :(
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:31 AM
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4. What, exactly, is he meant to do? Hold back the waters with his bare hands?


He's been in office for mere weeks. Those rivers and the civil engineering infrastructure have been there quite a while longer.

I saw a BBC clip yesterday where some guy was moaning about water that had flooded his house to a depth of 4 feet. The reporter walked through the house, showing the water level marks on the walls as he went, then he walked through the back door and into the garden, where the householder was standing there... next to a river. Right next to a river. Not a few feet away, but actually on the banks of this river. A small river, to be sure, but even small rivers flood. It's a known fact. And I daresay that river was there before he bought the house. In fact, it's probably *why* he bought the house. Now he wants the government to fix it because the river flooded his house.

My only criticism of the government over this situation is that they still say they're going to build new houses on flood plains. We've been watching a new development being built along the bank of the Clyde for the past several months. When they started, they had to pump standing water off of the land. I suppose they've built barriers, but it is right next to the river. Within a 100 feet or so, and the banks are fairly flat there, so the land's not very much above water level. People have already moved into some of the houses. They've got a helluva lot more trust in the developer than I would have.

/rant



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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:17 AM
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5. I agree about the new development
It really doesn't make sense. I'd love to know what the new owners expect (a) about their insurance premiums (b) what government help they expect in the likely event of a major flood in the expected lifetime of the houses (100 years?)
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:25 AM
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6. "Oh Brownie, Brownie..."
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:51 AM
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7. Perhaps a 3-year-old warning might have prompted action? LINK:
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:43 PM
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8. Fair enough. But Brown wasn't living in Number 10 for the past three years.


My point is that this man has been in office only a few short weeks. His predecessor could have (and should have) acted, but even so, that article mentions co-ordination of agencies and utility companies, as well as concerns about building on flood-prone land (which I mentioned in my previous post.) All of which would be well and good, and should have already been done, but even if it had, it wouldn't have stopped this flood from happening. It might have made the aftermath go more smoothly, but I can't see where anything mentioned in that article, if put into place three years ago, would have prevented this flood from occurring.


But it emerged last night that the government was warned in two separate reports that the plans in place to tackle flood risks were "complex, confusing and distressing for the public". In July 2004 the government said it needed to improve coordination between water companies, councils and the Environment Agency; then in 2005, the government also agreed to "work towards giving" the agency "an overarching strategic overview across all flooding and coastal erosion risks".

Ministers promised to transfer this responsibility by 2006.

An analysis by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has concluded that the current divisions of tasks lead to:

· A lack of information for those affected by flooding, with people passed between organisations and no one taking responsibility.

· Insufficient risk assessment because no single organisation has the incentive to carry it out.

· Development planning decisions being taken without a full understanding of the risks of urban flooding.

· Separate organisations making investment decisions based on priorities in their own area of responsibility without considering the wider drainage issues.


(As an aside, we're seeing a preview here of what the next President will have to face. Bush & his cronies will have royally screwed up the country for the past 8 years, but whoever occupies the White House next will catch unholy hell for the first thing that goes wrong once he or she is in office, regardless of whether it was down to something Bush should have done - or should not have done.)


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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:47 PM
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9. Agreed, and well-put.
Brown can't make miracles happen.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 10:35 AM
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10. Mark Steel: "Well, if the Romans built on flood plains..."
Maybe this really is a new period of government with no PR spin, because no one concerned with their image would announce building 20,000 houses on flood plains in the middle of the country's worst-ever floods.

And the housing minister, Yvette Cooper, tried to justify this by saying that York was a fine place to build houses because "The Romans built it on a flood plain". We can't take advice on this issue off the Romans - they built a city at the bottom of Mount Vesuvius and look what happened to that. When she was criticised, she claimed this was an attack on "affordable housing". By this logic she could announce 10,000 cheap houses are to be built in containers full of nuclear waste and, if anyone complained, she could say: "How dare you attack the concept of affordable housing?"

Maybe we'll at last see the benefits of the war in Iraq, and 10,000 affordable town houses for young families will be built on a brown-field site in Basra. Even then they'd probably be bought by bankers, who'd then let them out to jihadists as somewhere to keep people they'd kidnapped until the value had doubled.

Anyway, if the floods keep coming, they'll transform the housing market. Because the safest place to live will be the highest point possible. Estate agent adverts will boast "STAR OFFER ... VERY desirable property in highly sought after location *** This NINETEENTH floor flat in Moss Side tower block MUST BE SEEN ... ALL LIFTS BUSTED so no chance of soaking-wet people making their way to your level ... £3,000,000 ... no reduced offers considered." And five-bedroom houses in Maidenhead will be on a hard-to-let register and used for putting up refugees from Somalia.

http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_m_z/mark_steel/article2798497.ece
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:03 PM
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12. That is a brilliant column. Thanks for the link.


I've got lots more to say about this "affordable housing" thing, but I'll just keep my mouth shut :D

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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 11:30 AM
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11. I live inthe UK. I hope Brown doesn'tget voted out on this.
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 11:37 AM by cooolandrew
Hope Brown doesn't get voted out on this. We've had a flooding here that is very overwhelming like not seen before. It may take several weeks or months to restore things but genrally we do get people sorted in the end. This could hurt Brown as folks here don't like to see a slip in standards here. The worrying part is the alternative is the conservative party with Cameron who has called himself a comapassionate conservative in recent times. Hopefully things get back on track soon as I feel Brown can be good for the UK and on an international level.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:10 PM
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13. He's the PM he's supposed to wear a suit. I wish our politicians wouldn't insult people by
putting on jeans and shit when they go to disaster areas.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:19 PM
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14. No...
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 04:20 PM by LeftishBrit
There is a long track record of mismanagement and penny-pinching relating to water in Britain. In a rainy country like ours, we should NOT have water shortages (there's a hosepipe ban, etc, at least every other summer, which in a climate like ours is ludicrous, but there are too many leaks in reservoirs and pipes and insufficient attention to fixing them); and we should be PREPARED for heavy rainfall. The inability of the UK public and private services to deal with even comparatively mild weather problems is legendary and exasperating.

I hope this crisis causes the water authorities to act more responsibly in the future; and also causes more attention to be paid to global warming.

But no, it's not really Brown's fault. He seems so far to be dealing as effectively as he can with an appalling situation with which he (and we!) were landed just days after he came to power.

Rather than Gordon being the second Brownie, one might perhaps say that Blair turned out to be a true successor to Louis XIV: "Apres moi, le deluge!"
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