Sell me on Hillary Clinton.

I would love to hear any Hillary supporters tell me what attributes that Hillary has that would make her the best person to be our next President of the United States. I've seen the negatives--would someone like to give me the positives?

You don't want to vote for her, DON'T DO IT. Cast your vote for someone else in the primary. If she is the choice of the majority of Democrats and you choose not to vote for her in the general, that's another issue.

Frankly, almost the whole field could do well as president.

Negative: There are no negative "deal-breakers" as far as I can see.

Don

I think she might have the best shot. I think she might be the most effective. And I think her "going for the jugular" attitude could come in handy in getting things done after the election.


I'm still undecided, but the more Hill-bashing I read, the more I am accepting of her potential.


At this point, I'd gladly vote for ANY of our candidates, Hillary included.

I too am becoming convinced she has the best shot.

As for the Hill-bashing I actually started threads here a year ago asking people to please stop it as I knew damn well it would only make her stronger. And it did.

Don

I hate street performers of all kinds, so this could be a plus.

Plenty of info there.

You will be assimilated!

Ok, all joking aside, I'm not a hillary supporter in the least, but I'll give you three positives.

1) She looks and sounds Presidential.
2) She consistently, at least in public appearances, voices and advocates Democratic unity.
3) If you were satisfied with all of the Clinton years policies, you'll likely be happy with the familiar faces you would be likely to see in a Hillary Clinton administration.

By dem or puke, or indy, or any combo.

I can't sell you on her. She doesn't need to be sold.

"The Clinton Years" were golden compared to the chimp years. That will be enough for the sheeple.

The corporations support her, the DLC supports her, and she is a self proclaimed "progressive". What more could you want?

But regardless you are right.

Don

I guess that I am not happy or sad, just resigned to it all.

Peace and low stress my friend. :hi:

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If she's the nominee, that's good enough for me.

She will fight fire with fire. Plus you get Bill Clinton back in the White House. And if you want to push forward women's rights, Hillary will be a big step forward.

I like Kucinich, but next to him, I am non-plussed about the rest of them.

Edit to add Hillary Rodham Eyes

The day she is sworn in my daughters really do become equal in every way to men.

I like that thought.

Don

That doesn't help Hillary or lure people, like myself to her side.

It's fine that you like her, but there are other ways to promote her without tearing someone else down. Especially someone who has worked hard on the issues the since 2004 election ended and isn't running.

JMHO.

That she will not try to be too gentlemanly or lady-like, whatever term works. I did not like the way Kerry had the upper hand but never really used it in a hard way against Bush. And I don't see anything wrong with criticizing in order to make a point. People say horrible things about Hillary and Kucinich as a matter of course.

Yes, everything including the campaign rallies where he DID attack Bush.

He is still staying on Bush's behind while other Democrats are silent.

He DID defend himself. The whore media buried the Swift Boat response when he DID respond.

How come no one is blaming the media or Dems that stood on the sidelines? Why are they given free passes? Kerry did to them what they should have done back in 2004. He went out of his way to defend Reid, and Hillary cause he IS a gentleman and it was the right thing to do. It is sad that her supporters do not see that.

Why is she given a pass for siding along with the Republicans instead of a good person that has done a lot to help veterans, but I forgot, Kerry hates the troops.

I see nothing wrong with criticism, but it should be done more against the Republicans instead of our own, especially someone that worked hard for a Democratic Congress in 06, and bringing the Iraq war back on the table.

You may not like Kerry or disagree with the way the campaign was handled, but the media will not be nice to anyone. Hillary has party support. Kerry didn't.

Again, there are other productive and positive ways to promote or talk up someone without tearing others down.

I still stand by what I wrote.

OK I'll take that at face value one time, and assume this is not passive aggressive methods to try to "discredit" Hillary by saying nobody could come up with a positive to persuade me!

After all on DU it is indeed a given you will hear the negatives, so let's assume you just missed the positives.

Full disclosure: I'd prefer Richardson, Edwards and possibly Obama (they go back and forth for 3rd place) at this time to HRC, but even I can give enough positives to at least give some fodder for the inevitable character assassination speculation.

Personal attributes first since that's what you asked. I prefer policy myself, but frankly there's so little difference between her and any other viable Dem at this point that's moot.

1 - as proven in the NY races and in recent debates (and the DOD showdown), she responds vigorously and consistently to personal attacks - she fights back. A Dem candidate who is unwilling to fight back or unable to do so effectively will have little chance when the swiftboaters start,

2 - The swiftboaters have already had 15 years of unremitting full scale assault to bring her down, and yet she leads in almost all polls of both Democrats and overall voters. What negatives can be found about Hillary have been found, have been pushed and have been digested. There is no other Dem candidate who has been so thoroughly through the Scaife/Limbaugh/Norquist wringer.

3 - Genitalia. Women voters trend Dem but suburban white collar women voters less so. Her appeal to this moderate and persuadable demographic is strong. Women, rightly or wrongly, will vote for women in greater numbers for that reason. Normally the same is true of blacks, and yet Hillary leads Obama and all other candidates among blacks (which I could have made number 4 but is really not a personal attribute so I included it here)

4 - She has demonstrated excellent self control and a consistent ability to keep on message and on-image, I doubt we'll see any condom suits or windsurfing or mid-campaign "reinventions". Discipline is key in this gotcha game of omnimedia politics. Even people who hate her don't deny the discipline her campaign shows.

5 - Money-raising ability. Obama has it too but none of the others come close. Should it be as important as it is? No, but that doesn;t change reality. Unless you can tap into hundreds of millions you won't have a voice against the RW smear machine. I think Bill Richardson has a better set of policies and experiences, but he fails miserably here.

6 - Name recognition. It's hard for involved political junkies to credit this, but there are huge swathes of people who vote without even knowing hardly anything about the candidates at all - even in the general election. They tend to go for known quantities and warm and fuzzy memories.

7 - Pragmatism and realpolitik acumen. To the hardcore partisans this is a bad thing. To the people who decide elections (the middle who could go either way) and to the people who actually legislate and administrate, compromise, picking your battles, and fighting the ones you can win are the marks of a savvy politician who can get things done. Wild-eyed ideologues with neither compromise nor back-room deal making skills get 10% in primaries and 2% in generals - even on the Republican side (Buchanan anyone? Robertson?)

Bush, Bush, Bush, Clinton Clinton, Bush Bush and then Clinton, Clinton. Makes one want to take up drinking.

I admit that I have been drinking since Bush has been president. Steady.

Don

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Why will she be the best candidate while she's IN the White House?

And no, this is not a passive aggressive way to prove that nobody has anything positive to say about her. If it were, it should be a pretty easy tactic to diffuse--just list a bunch of reasons why she's the most qualified candidate.

and she's one of onLy 2 candidates. go with the rock star.