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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:53 AM
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Who Murdered Pat Tillman?
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/58118/#more

Who Murdered Patt Tillman?

Posted by Guest Blogger at 5:33 AM on July 27, 2007.

TRex: Newly released documents confirm that it was a deliberate shooting that killed Pat Tillman, not friendly fire.

This post, written by TRex, originally appeared on FireDogLake

"This war is so fucking illegal." (Patrick Tillman)

From the AP:

SAN FRANCISCO -

Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

"The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described," a doctor who examined Tillman's body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

The doctors - whose names were blacked out - said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.

In other words, Pat Tillman was most likely murdered in the field. In cold blood. By other US soldiers.

This must be what the Bush Administration was trying so desperately to hide behind their all purpose "Executive Privilege" shield.

snip//

Of all the disgraceful, sickening things our country has done in the name of "spreading liberty" in the Great War on Terrah, this one is a real prize-winner. I only hope that his family can find some kind of peace in the days ahead. In the wake of such a devastating loss followed by a breathtaking series of insults and brush-offs from the US government and the leadership of the armed forces, if I were in their shoes, I think I would simply have lost my mind by now.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:11 AM
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1. Amazing, isn't it? A murdered man used for propaganda to
promote a war that he was against, but because he loved his country he enlisted anyway. Why I will never ever understand, but he did. And someone(s) killed him. And they used him to promote what he hated.

There's nothing, no punishment, too severe for those that participated in this obscenity.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:19 AM
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3. AND lied to his family, the ultimate insult. Someone needs to pay,
and not just with a slap on the wrist either.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:34 AM
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16. You know what I think is scary?
Is that there are people in high positions in federal, state and local government who do these kinds of switcheroos on the public all the time, and they think it's normal and it's their job to keep bad news out of the media. So, taking a murder, and turning it into a War Poster Boy is the kind of thinking that will surely get someone promoted.

You find out who was promoted after the Tillman story ran about a year or so, and that's the person who came up with the idea.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:16 AM
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2. If We Knew Why, We Would Know Who
It's irrational.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:23 AM
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4. Bingo...
Yep...the qustion that really screams right now is "why". If this was a fragging...what and why? Especially why Tillman who was a walking recruiting poster for this regime?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:26 AM
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8. Unless we're told otherwise, we can assume it's because Tillman
really wasn't a cheerleader for this war, and had to be silenced. It might be as simple as someone being jealous of him and doing something about it, but I'll assume the worst til proved otherwise.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:22 AM
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15. With this administration, assuming the very worst is the safest bet. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:23 AM
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5. This is so horrifying I can't even begin to describe it.
It's a sad testament to what the cabal in power really thinkd of our soldiers. They literally are just army men on a map to them.

That they could do this to a man of fame and influence shows that they would stop at nothing.

:cry::patriot:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:24 AM
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6. Yes, just imagine what might be happening to peopl of less fame and
influence, the ones we'll never hear about?:-(
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:27 AM
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9. exactly
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:26 AM
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7. This needs to be trumpeted if true
We need independent confirmation; because this is pretty damn bad.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:58 AM
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21. And who do we know with a trumpet? Oh, yeah, I know who.
:rofl:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:09 AM
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25. Give it a fucking rest, why don't you? n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:20 AM
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26. IT IS TRUE..THERE HAVE BEEN CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS WITH
THE TILLAMN FAMILY AND JESSICA LYNCH

what do you need to know to know it is true?????????

this is from military documents..

Pat Tillman was shot in the forehead..with 3 bullets..at close range..

what more independant do you need????????

video of General WESLEY CLARK he has seen many of the documents..is this good enough to confirm this for you??

*CONFIRMATION* OF A COVER-UP IN PAT TILLMAN'S MURDER


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGK6WidRyo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edemocraticunderground%2Ecom%2Fdiscuss%2Fduboard%2Ephp%3Faz%3Dview%5Fall%26address%3D385x43682
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:24 AM
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27. I apologize for not being as up on this as I should be
I knew it was a "friendly fire" incident; did not know the details.

Printing in all caps doesn't make your arguments stronger.

Bryant
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:51 AM
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10. ...
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/08/BAG7NM76RO2.DTL

-- Investigators have been stymied because some of those involved now have lawyers and refused to cooperate, and other soldiers who were at the scene couldn't be located.

-- Three of the four shooters are now out of the Army, and essentially beyond the reach of military justice.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:00 AM
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11. Is that last sentence really true? They're now untouchable?
Seems pretty CONVENIENT to me.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:09 AM
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12. Not necessarily
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 09:22 AM by Solly Mack
but somehow will have to actually take the case up

Remember Green? (rape, murder of the child and her family?Abeer Qasim Hamza) - civilian courts charged him...the UCMJ is federal law...and murder is a federal crime...so it could happen in Tillman's case as well


My husband just told me to edit to clairfy...lol

those out can't be charged in a military court...but that doesn't mean they can be charged.(unless they are on active reserve now - then the military could get them)
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AnotherMother4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:14 AM
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13. Another death I've wondered about is that of the young woman who was tracking
the deaths of the Iraqi people, when no one else would. She was an American, and trusted by the Iraqis. Such a beautiful and noble young lady. The report was that she was ambushed on the road to Iraq's airport. In a blink of an eye, a sore spot for this corrupt administration was gone. I've always had my doubts about this "report".

Thank you for this post. My prayers are with the Tillman family.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:04 AM
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24. I haven't wondered - I've just assumed the worst. The days of wonder are long gone for me. nt
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:20 AM
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14. I'll bet it was someone there with him
Probably a member of his squad who didn't like his politics or something. I am not convinced he was shot to make a poster boy for this war. I think he was executed for his beliefs. Now this is not based on anything I read, but why else would they burn his diary unless he wrote something they didn't like? Maybe he was going to reveal some wrongdoing by someone and they decided to cover it up.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:36 AM
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17. Yep. They burned his diary.
His brother was in his same unit, too, and they burned his diary surreptitiously, without his brother's knowledge.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:37 AM
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18. I can easily suppose.........
that his death was used as an example....."You want to end up like that fucker Tillman?? Keep it up with that antiwar shit and you will find yourself going home in a body bag just like that mutherfucker did".
God, I feel dirty just typing that, but I can also hear it being said.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:46 AM
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19. A Few Good Men - Life Immitates Art, Eh? nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:51 AM
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20. Waxman will be holding a hearing on Wednesday concerning this. Meeting in August!

Tuesday, July 17, 2007
Defense and Security
The Tillman Fratricide: What the Leadership of the Defense Department Knew

On Wednesday, August 1, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. in 2154 Rayburn House Office Building, the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform will hold a hearing to examine what senior Defense Department officials knew about U.S. Army Corporal Patrick Tillman’s death by fratricide.

The following witnesses are invited to testify:

* The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld, Former Secretary of Defense
* Gen. Richard B. Myers (Retired), Former Chair, Joint Chiefs of Staff
* Gen. John P. Abizaid (Retired), Former Commander, U.S. Central Command
* Gen. Bryan Douglas Brown (Retired), Former Commander, U.S. Special Operations Command
* Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger, Jr. (Retired), Former Commander, U.S. Special Operations Command
* Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, Commander, Joint Special Operations Command

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:59 AM
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22. GWB
and his cronies...I hold them responsible for each and every person killed in this war.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:59 AM
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23. Maybe they tried to recruit him into the mosque-bombing detail?
Perhaps his suspicions were around when they issued him a galabea to wear...
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:50 AM
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28. Lemme see if I have this straight
They know that elements of their own platoon are ahead of them in the canyon, but they start shooting at people up there without being fired upon themselves, and without identifying the target. :eyes:

What bullshit.
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