I am still against the death penalty, even facing the horrors of Connecticut

I hope that someone in their jail cell will rape and strangle and dose them with gasoline and set them on fire. I don't have problems with this, really.

But I cannot see the state being the executor.

And I am from Connecticut.

were killed, the husband severely beaten and their house was set on fire. I will try and find a link.


http://www.1010wins.com/pages/710477.php?contentType=4&contentId=712992

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What in the hell is going on?

The prospect of executing even 1 Innocent person is to high a price to pay. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

...then so be it. I just can't stand the idea of vicious murderers such as the men in this case enjoying a meal, having a nice dream, having a pleasant though, etc., more than necessary. Let them have their appeals, and if unsuccessful, end their lives.

I can't say that I have any higher moral ground than you though. In fact, I wish I believed as you do sometimes, but just don't.

Hopefully, I'll know when I see it.

One of them already confessed he raped the older daughter.
He already confessed that they robbed the other 2 homes in the same city.

There's nothing nice about this.

Try 'appreciated'.

Never, never is it justified.

Should only be used in Murder cases, and this one qualifies.
And only beyond a reasonable doubt.


I am for the DP with these kind of crimes

There should be NO wrongful convictions, as I said, they should be 100% positive with DNA evidence
then the DP is the right choice for people like that.

error, deliberate planting of evidence by overzealous cops who "know" they have their perp.

There is ALWAYS a reasonable doubt.

Still doesnt change anything
The DP is the right choice for people like this.

One wrongful execution is way too many.

One wrongful murder is way too many

And, how does the death penalty stop any murder?

It is justice, if they escape jail and do it again then what?

I would have no problem with a "second tier" of incarceration for these types, One where they literally get locked in a cell for life. I do think that for prisoners who will NEVER be released, a different standard of incarceration is in order. We should implement this as we now implement the DP.

"Throughout history, compassionate minds have pondered this dark and disturbing question: What is society to do with those members who are a threat to society, those malcontents and misfits whose behavior undermines and destroys the foundations of civilization? Different ages have found different answers. Misfits have been burned, branded, and banished. Today on this planet Earth, the criminal is incarcerated in humane institutions, or he is executed.

"Throughout history, various societies have tried various methods of exterminating those members who have proven their inability or unwillingness to live sanely among their fellow men. The U.S. merely tried one more method, neither better nor worse than all the others. Neither more human nor less human than all the others. Perhaps, merely... nonhuman."

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I'm against it even if it was proven the murderer was 100% guilty.

The state can't kill people. Period.

People shouldnt kill......period

But they do, and they need to pay/justice for what they have done

I always think about the victim and their families.

The familie's loss and sorrow won't dissappear by killing the murderer.

An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

If somebody committed a murder: put him in jail. American prisons are uncivilized enough to make him 'pay'.

Someone needs glasses..........

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That the best you can do?

Yes, isnt it great!! :hi:

Mine were all in the previous posts, the first ones............

you need these glasses to see them tho......:hi:


"In dreams, some of us walk the stars. In dreams, some of us ride the whelming brine of space, where every port is a shining one, and none are beyond our reach. Some of us, in dreams, cannot reach beyond the walls of our own little sleep."

I think a lethal injection would take care of them very nicely. I think you really do believe in the death penalty, but it is not PC on DU.

the brutality of the crime.

I have a family member who was murdered in a manner not unlike that of the CT family. That fact has not altered my opposition to the DP.

for you to still hold your position shows a great character and moral core.

Thank you for your post and please accept my deep condolences.

It's been almost 27 years since the murder; so hard to believe.

I do not understand your reasoning. Leave the DP to the prisoners rather than the court and the jury?

As someone said below so well, my beliefs are about who I am, not what they are or what they did.

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I think that if a loved one were to be a victim of a crime I would spend the rest of my life seeking and the criminal and taking my revenge.

But the role of the penal code is not a revenge. And as some said here "just for heinous crime," except than you run into definition. And, again, while not in this case, there is always the chance of executing innocent people. Yes, even the ones who "confess." Remember last year "confession" in the murder of JonBennet Ramsey?

Not having the death penalty, eliminate all the errors. Plus, we are really the only industrialized nation with death penalty on the book. Singapore, perhaps, too.

Killing our criminals places us in the same category is Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, and China and others.

And, yes, just as the ACLU sees its role defending the worse expressions in our society, so should we see our roles resisting the temptation to execute people doing the most heinous crimes.

Had the police not killed the suspect, I would have preferred he rot in a jail cell.

The death penalty? You're put to sleep like you're having your wisdom teeth extracted.

Life in prison without the possibility of parole is the ultimate punishment.

and there's always the possibility of escape. Exhibit A: Ted Bundy's murderous spree in Florida occurred after he escaped from another prison.

I wrestle with the death penalty because of the Bundys, Gacys, Dahmer's and yes, these guys in CT, etc. I do worry about the wrongly convicted but surely felt better when Ted was executed, Jeff killed by a fellow inmate and the Columbine and VA Tech killers took their own lives.

Revenge is a primal human response, not saying it's right. But I really think many of us wrestle with our ids (die you bastard, you monster) and our egos (it is not our place to judge and execution is barbaric).:shrug:

I agree with you.

or being raped and burned in prison?

I have a fundamental problem with wishing harm on others, regardless of their prior acts.

really believe any one in jail should be raped and burned? Gut check time.

the conditions in our jails are bad and many get raped.

And I was horrified by that child molesting priest who was killed while in jail. But if someone should be subjected to sadism and torture in jail - they should be.

Yes, of course, I would expect the wardens to rush and to save them, sight..

custody of the state is ALLOWED to be raped and killed, how is the state NOT the executioner?

and I speak as a survivor of a grisly murder of someone in my own family.

I want these guys locked up, off the street, off whatever drugs they were on and away from ordinary people for the rest of their rotten lives.

I didn't want the state to kill in my name when I was the one who survived in grief. It would have made it all worse. I don't want the state to kill now.

I am against the death penalty because of who I am, not because of who they are.

"I am against the death penalty because of who I am, not because of who they are."

Exactly!!

An entire family was killed in a brutal fashion - only they were a poor black family.

Nobody on DU felt it necessary to post that they were still against the death penalty because of that crime.

I doubt it even made LBN here, either.

Obviously my information comes from the MSM and I do not remember hearing about your case.

If it were not on LBN, perhaps you could have posted it, still not too late, I would think, if you can find the link.

I'm just pointing out that the case in Cheshire, CT is a wealthy white family and is making the news around the country. They had a leading anti-death penalty guy on the radio this morning and he's supposedly been getting threatening phone calls and letters because of this incident. Yet, as he pointed out, when there was a similar murder of a poor black family in Connecticut a few months earlier, he heard nothing. No phone calls, letters or emails. The media wasn't at his door asking him to reconsider his anti-death penalty stance. People weren't posting on DU that in spite of the horrific murder of this black family, they still were against the death penalty.

when blond girls are murdered or disappeared in Aruba or run away from their weddings the media covers this topic but not when the girls are of color.

But, as I said, those of us who do not get the local news - CT in this case - are not aware of this and it is up to DUers to post the stories. And as with the above examples, DUers did post stories about black girls who disappeared.

And perhaps this can be an opportunity, in CT at least, to bring out that other horror stories.

Just the other day I've heard on NPR that in a wealthy suburb in CT - do not remember where - many citizens carry concealed weapons since they cannot get help from the local police.

Just like gay marriage, abortion, and any other pet issue the GOP has decided to use as an emotional hook to win elections.

regarding the death penalty. You either think it is right or wrong. A crime being especially horrid shouldn't change someone's opposition, nor should a criminal's finding spirituality change a supporters position.

Honestly, as a child I knew the DP was wrong, and I'm disappointed we are still hung up where we are on the issue.

I thought I was normally against it, but when I imagine what the mother was going through it changes my mind. She was so helpless to help her daughters and you know she heard what they were doing to them. I guess this crime is my line.

Not until there's a Democratic governor, I'm sure.

I hope that someone in their jail cell will rape and strangle and dose them with gasoline and set them on fire. I don't have problems with this, really.

A BIG hypocrite.

And I am and will always be against death penalty. No country that uses the death penalty can call itself 'civilized'.

While I understand the desire for "revenge"--or even maybe justice in cases like this one--I just feel that our government should not be in the business of killing any of its citizens. I have seen the legal system from having worked inside it and I will tell you that it is flawed. It is flawed because it depends on human beings to sit in judgment, to defend and protect the rights of both the accused and victims, and because the investigation of these crimes is carried out by humans. Mistakes and omissions happen, and if we kill people based on these trials we are gonna be killing people sometimes by mistake. I find that unacceptable.


You can throw up any number of straw man arguments ("What IF you have a video of the killing that SHOWS them doing it?") and you can point to any number of awful crimes that have been committed, but it still doesn't change the fact that any trial by humans is gonna be flawed at some place in time and innocent people will die at the hands of a system that is supposed to represent and protect us all.

I will admit freely that if it was a member of my own family killed I'd be on a vengeance trail and I'd want blood for blood.

I am not perfect, nor do I claim to be. That desire for blood, however, is up to ME to satisfy--not the state. I am the one that would have to carry that burden on my soul--NOT the state.



Laura

I guess we'll just have to disagree.

Connecticut is part of the pro-death penalty states and it seems that it will remain that way for a while now unless the veto-proof Dem majority is both houses want to touch the political hot potato. I see that the media circus here, and apparently nationwide, has started and the glitter of bloodlust in the eyes of those who seek revenge with blood.

Connecticut comes off as a "liberal", "blue" state but it's really not. Even less so because of LIARman now.