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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:30 PM
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White House: Gonzales and Mueller are both right (aaarrrggggghhhh!)
This seems as if it's being spun so fast, with the hope that no one can keep up.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-gonzales-and-mueller-are-both-right-2007-07-27.html

White House: Gonzales and Mueller are both right
By Jeremy Jacobs
July 27, 2007


The White House said Friday that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was referring to a very specific surveillance program in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee and, therefore, his testimony does not contradict that of FBI Director Robert Mueller.

In his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee Thursday, Mueller said internal White House disagreements arose surrounding the legality of a National Security Agency program. Democrats claimed Gonzales testified that no such disputes occurred and, therefore, lied in his testimony.

White House spokesman Tony Snow backed Gonzales’s testimony, saying that “there has never been at any juncture along the line any disagreement about the propriety or legality” of the program Gonzales referred to.

“In 2004, the Department of Justice and the White House all agreed that there was a legal basis for intercepting conversations or communications involving al Qaeda or al Qaeda affiliates in the United States and overseas,” Snow said. “There’s no dispute about that.”

Snow added that the program that Gonzales referred to in his testimony, the terrorist surveillance program (TSP), is just one of many surveillance activities in which the United States is engaged and, therefore, Mueller may not have been referring to the same program that Gonzales was.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:32 PM
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1. And then I married ...Morgan Fairchild
yeah... that's the ticket
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:33 PM
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2. Don't they know his testimony was recorded?
:banghead:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:36 PM
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3. 'Twas brillig and the slithy toths did gyre and gimbol in the wabe
blah blah blah.

Wrong is right and war is peace and ...

How do I get out of this caucus race?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:36 PM
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4. Oh God! And they criticized Clinton for triangulating!
Snow's comments were WORSE than "the meaning of IS".

The old adage "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull shit" is sure still alive a well!
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:37 PM
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5. Textbook example of doublethink
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 03:38 PM by TechBear_Seattle
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.


It is kind of scarey that Orwell wrote this passage almost 60 years ago.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:23 PM
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8. [W]ith the lie always one leap ahead of the truth... that really does describe them doesn't it?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:38 PM
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6. It definitely contradicts Comey's testimony.
Between Comey's testimony and Gonzo's testimony, it's no contest.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:46 PM
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7. These guys
give a whole new meaning to that old game of "six degrees of separation".
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:54 PM
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9. Well, sure, both may be right wing;
but at least Mueller told the truth. ;-)
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:56 PM
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10. so they are admitting that they have SO MANY surveillance programs being used against us that they
can't keep track of them?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 05:00 PM
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11. just how many different spy programs exist?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 05:03 PM
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12. "One of many surveillance activities?"
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 05:03 PM by Sparkly
Is it a "program" or an "activity?"

And, didn't he answer that there is/was only ONE such program/activity??

I asked similar questions over in GD-Pol if anybody has some clues, cause I'm confused...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3408432
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 05:17 PM
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13. Wait... If they're BOTH right, the very fabric of the universe is in danger!
Don't you see? In this reality, only Mueller could be right, because Gonzo is a lying turd. But if Gonzo is ALSO right, that means our universe has intersected with another universe in the very same room John Ashcroft was staying in when he was in the hospital!

This must mean there is some parallel Alberto Gonzales running around, being right and telling the truth! If this is the case, we must never let parallel Gonzo and regular Gonzo meet! If they EVER meet, they will react in the same way matter reacts when it meets anti-matter - a MASSIVE explosion! An explosion of this magnitude could destroy all of existence as we know it!

In order to prevent this tragedy, we must... Must...


Uh...


Sorry, I think I blacked out there. I just read a headline somewhere that said the White House thought Fredo was actually RIGHT about something, and... Well, I think my brain is still sort of sizzling.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 05:23 PM
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14. Bush orders his attorney general lie under oath to Congress
imagine what the standard for press secretary is.
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