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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:51 AM
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BushCo's Arms Deal with Saudi Arabia -- How is this NOT about an arms race in the M.E.?
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 08:07 AM by Sparkly
Yesterday:

Saudis’ Role in Iraq Frustrates U.S. Officials

(snip)
Now, Bush administration officials are voicing increasing anger at what they say has been Saudi Arabia’s counterproductive role in the Iraq war.They say that beyond regarding Mr. Maliki as an Iranian agent, the Saudis have offered financial support to Sunni groups in Iraq. Of an estimated 60 to 80 foreign fighters who enter Iraq each month, American military and intelligence officials say that nearly half are coming from Saudi Arabia and that the Saudis have not done enough to stem the flow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/27/world/middleeast/27saudi.html


US plays down reported tension with Saudis ahead of arms talks

While not addressing the Times report specifically, White House spokesperson Dana Perino insisted Friday that Washington and Riyadh are working closely on security issues.

"We have very strong relations on counter-terrorism measures," Perino said.

"We have worked very closely with Saudi Arabia."

(snip)

Brookings Institution expert Daniel Benjamin told AFP that Riyadh was preparing for the possibility of Iran-backed Shiite Muslims taking full control of Iraq, where they are the majority.

"There have been plenty of reports of the Saudis buying up (Sunni) tribes in Iraq as a hedge against Shiite hegemony and against Iran specifically," Benjamin said.

"It certainly doesn't help the (US) administration at all if one of its closest allies in the region is fueling instability," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070727/wl_afp/usiraqsaudimideast_070727220623;_ylt=AnDuJPeUx3Ao7zuboR8iLnuQOrgF



And today:

U.S. Plans New Arms Sales to Gulf Allies
$20 Billion Deal Includes Weapons For Saudi Arabia


By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 28, 2007; Page A01

The Bush administration will announce next week a series of arms deals worth at least $20 billion to Saudi Arabia and five other oil-rich Persian Gulf states as well as new 10-year military aid packages to Israel and Egypt, a move to shore up allies in the Middle East and counter Iran's rising influence, U.S. officials said yesterday.

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U.S. officials said the arms sales to Saudi Arabia are expected to include air-to-air missiles as well as Joint Direct Attack Munitions, which turn standard bombs into "smart" precision-guided bombs. Most, but not all, of the arms sales to the six Gulf Cooperation Council countries -- Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman -- will be defensive, the officials said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/27/AR2007072702454.html?hpid=topnews



U.S. Set to Offer Huge Arms Deal to Saudi Arabia

By DAVID S. CLOUD
Published: July 28, 2007

WASHINGTON, July 27 — The Bush administration is preparing to ask Congress to approve an arms sale package for Saudi Arabia and its neighbors that is expected to eventually total $20 billion at a time when some United States officials contend that the Saudis are playing a counterproductive role in Iraq.

The proposed package of advanced weaponry for Saudi Arabia, which includes advanced satellite-guided bombs, upgrades to its fighters and new naval vessels, has made Israel and some of its supporters in Congress nervous. Senior officials who described the package on Friday said they believed that the administration had resolved those concerns, in part by promising Israel $30.4 billion in military aid over the next decade, a significant increase over what Israel has received in the past 10 years.

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In talks about the package, the administration has not sought specific assurances from Saudi Arabia that it would be more supportive of the American effort in Iraq as a condition of receiving the arms package, the officials said.

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Worried about the impression that the United States was starting an arms race in the region, State and Defense Department officials stressed that the arms deal was being proposed largely in response to improvements in Iran’s military capabilities and to counter the threat posed by its nuclear program, which the Bush administration contends is aimed at building nuclear weapons.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/washington/28weapons.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1185625926-OPH31omZirKEgu2CasMWMA


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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:56 AM
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1. Saudi Arabia controls its population through repression. How
are they going to control these weapons? When the buildup to the Iraq war started Saddam handed out A-47s to everybody. We are seeing the result of that now.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:30 AM
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7. It's probably a scam...
bribes, kickbacks and no-bid contracts means everyone wins.

(Except us little people of course).
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:05 AM
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2. perpetual weapons for perpetual war for perpetual profits
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:10 AM
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3. and we have to give 30 billion to Israel to balance it
what do we give the people of the Gulf Coast, do I hear crickets chirping. Saudi Arabia is wealthy
and so is Israel and so why are we using our tax dollars for their military budgets?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:15 AM
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4. we are the enemy
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:15 AM
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5. this is tortured logic------sell to one country, then use as an excuse to sell to another another
country!!

........The proposed package of advanced weaponry for Saudi Arabia, which includes advanced satellite-guided bombs, upgrades to its fighters and new naval vessels, has made Israel and some of its supporters in Congress nervous. Senior officials who described the package on Friday said they believed that the administration had resolved those concerns, in part by promising Israel $30.4 billion in military aid over the next decade, a significant increase over what Israel has received in the past 10 years.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:17 AM
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6. Of course it is
the US and Britain can arm Israel and Saudi Arabia but if anyone else arms anyone else they are terrorists. I cry for this planet.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:03 AM
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8. Keep this thread kicked. This info must get out to more of the public.
It is just beyond words how Bu$hCo has endangered us all for generations to come. Hell, the Bu$h family has been at it for the better part of the twentieth century. And their murderous madness continues into the twenty-first.


These people are the worst of humanity.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:15 AM
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9. Just when I think they cant' shock me anymore, they shock me even more. k&r nt
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Summer93 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:38 AM
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10. Perpetual War in the Mideast
One other thing I thought of when I read this was that 15 of the 19 hi-jackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. This then made it logical for this admin to attack Iraq. Again, do they think before acting.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:07 PM
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16. My first thought, as well...
This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:47 AM
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11. ? Sunni Saudi Arabia vs. Shia Iran ? nt
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:49 AM
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12. k&r n/t
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:02 PM
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13. it could be more


India to buy 126 combat aircraft


NEW DELHI

India decided on Friday to invite bids from international aircraft makers for 126 combat jets to upgrade its air force's capability at an estimated cost of 420 billion rupees ($10 billion), a Defense Ministry official said.

India is expected to evaluate aircraft built by American manufacturers Lockheed Martin and Boeing, France's Dassault Aviation, Sweden's Gripen-SAAB and Russia's Sukhoi.

.......

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8Q2ILG00.htm
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:13 PM
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14. this is not about an arms race...
this is about Iran
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:55 PM
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15. If Israel attacked Iran first...

the US would naturally ally with Israel and join in. What would Saudi Arabia do?
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:13 PM
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18. You have a point there.
Just like in Iraq, our own weapons will be used against us.

WTF is wrong with this administration??????????
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 01:01 AM
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19. I wonder if the strategy may be to prevent Israel from striking first...
The US is allied with both Israel and Saudi Arabia, but the balance of firepower may be tilted on the Israeli side. The problem is, the balance of monetary power is probably tilted on the Saudi side, and there is plenty of evidence that funds trickle down to insurgents and various militant groups, including places like Iraq. I always feel like the Saudi leadership has our administration over a barrel (of oil, so to speak) and is constantly making offers that the Administration cannot refuse.
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:12 PM
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17. Could this be why Cheney made a secretive visit to Saudi Arabia
a few months ago?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 07:15 AM
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20. morning kick
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