9/11-Iraq connection..."I never said there was a connection!"

How many times have you had a discussion with a right-wing war enthusiast who defends US involvement in the Iraqi Civil War by talking about 9/11 and bin Laden? And how many times, when you call them on it, have you had your intelligence insulted as they deny having made any such implication?

This might be the lie that is, for me, the most exhausting. These people know exactly what they're doing when they drop 9/11 and/or bin Laden into the debates over the Iraqi Civil War. And they know full well that they are, at the very least, lying or, worse, playing semantic word games on an issue in which so many lives are at stake.

Bush himself has claimed that the never implies a connection. But just this week, in South Carolina, he said the following:

"We've already seen how al Qaida used a failed state thousands of miles from our shores to bring death and destruction to the streets of our cities -- and we must not allow them to do so again. So, however difficult the fight is in Iraq, we must win it. And we can win it."

I'm sure he would deny/lie about what he was clearly implying. And he, like his supporters, just don't give a damn.

week.

I believe it was his speech on Thursday. ;)

...however, he is correct to the extent that failed states are fertile ground for fanatics.

In my opinion, there is nothing we can do now to fix Iraq. There will be criminal gangs/terrorists/religious fanatics vying for power there for decades.

Is it possible that one of those groups may wish to attack Americans? I certainly think so.

Not much we can do about it.

In an inteview with Matt Lauer speaking on the war on terror.. "I don’t think you can win it". G. bush on the today show.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5866571/
So, which is it?

I get near violent too quick. In your face screaming and spitting stuff. Not Pretty. I take my anger to the internets.

But, perhaps I internalize this anger too much. Drinking doesn't help that's for sure. All day today I was trying to figure out or remember why I was hugging the bathroom floor last night and crying in angst. It had to be about this administration. These people are killing this Nation. And they smile while they are doing it. I've never seen this kind of people before. Why do they do these things? I do not understand.

My bathroom floor awaits.

One thing I've learned over the years is that unproductive fretting over things I have no control over is useless.

if John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy had been given the keys to the WH?? You wouldn't be able to make sense of it, right?

Well, there you have it. The person inhabiting the WH is a very dangerous and damaged individual. His inner world is so bizarre that trying to find meaning in it will make you crazy.

they weren't there much before

I haven't seen much clear evidence that any significant force exported to Iraq by Al Qaeda. As for "Al Qaeda in Iraq", it seems to me more like if some guys with motorcycles in Illinois decided to call themselves the "Hells Angels in Peoria". That is not to say they aren't a problem, but calling themselves Al Qaeda doesn't make them necessarily anything like the original group.

Most of the people I've known that describe themselves as Conservative don't really have any clear, cohesive political view or goal. They've got a collection of talking points (many of them contradictory), and are completely uninterested in raw data. They'll do the same act they hear the radio hosts do, that's all. Question them and they're as lost as an actor without a script.

What I'm saying is that I don't think there's any real meaning behind their words to begin with-- so this person may well have been completely honest when they said they weren't connecting Iraq and Al Qaeda. They weren't. They were just spouting slogans.

It's "duck speak", and that's all.

who has seen the actual evidence the boogy man had anything to do with 9/11...

The FBI doesn't want OBL in connection with 9/11, Why?

CAUTION

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.


See for yourself:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm