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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:13 PM Original message |
Murder or not? Apparently several home-made abortions |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Dunno -- but I'll bet mental illness played a part n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. There is one importanat piece of information missing |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I can't help but think its deliberate |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. There was a similar case a few years back |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. She delivered the placenta at the hospital |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. actually, that's not the piece of information missing |
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Tulum_Moon (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Yes, it was all done for probirthers. |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. The local paper said..... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. And stillborn |
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PinkTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. How do they know |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Because she's female, of course |
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PinkTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Don't be so sure. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. I'd wonder who the "fathers" were. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Easy. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Yeah, I bet she went horseback riding and drank herbal tea! (snark) nt |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. How can they prove the babies weren't stillborn? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Or miscarriages to a women without health insurance. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Yeah, that's what I was thinking |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. There are ways |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Lots of newborns, particularly preemies, die naturally after taking a breath too |
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Blue Diadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. There's a way they can check the lungs to see if the babies have |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. See #26. thanks. (nt) |
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stirlingsliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. Not Murder. Only Human Beings Can Be Murdered. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Wow... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Depends on the state |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. If they were living at time of birth this mother will be prosecuted... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. so |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I don't believe any woman should be prosecuted for a self-induced abortion... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I see your point |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. My understanding is that if at birth the lungs inflate... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. just for information |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
74. Same here - waiting for more information-nt |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. The Supreme Court may have to hear this one |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
19. Legal abortions require a medical professional |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. just fyi |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I was thinking back-alley |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
31. Update |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. aren't you cute? |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Word |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Unfortunately, no |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Wait. Did you just say fetuses are not human beings????? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 08:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. a little slow on the uptake, are we? |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I acccept your challenge. Gladly |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. fine |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. No problem |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. okay, you lose |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Put more effort into your arguments and less into insults |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 06:10 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. you still lose |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
73. OK enough of this |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. close, but no cigar |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
61. I'll say it. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. er, say what? |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. The acorns and oak trees thing doesn't work. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Deleted message |
NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Actually, I'm 36 with a bachelor's degree... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. hey, I'm impressed |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Actually, I do know the difference between an acorn and an oak tree. |
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Always AskWhy (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Yeah, what are they, |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. somebody else slow today? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Acorns are not oak trees. nm |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. OK so infants are not men. Ahhhh but they will be-nt |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. That's not what I said. Clearly. nm |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
59. Like many here? Not me |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 06:47 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. yeah, kinda like women |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Let me just say that.... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I have philosophical problems with that concept |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. thank you iverglas for that link and your other posts |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-02-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. You've been missed |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
39. Supposedly, America is finally going to get to some postpartum illness legislation -- |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. We surely need it |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
48. In other news, heroic pharmacists continue to dispense lectures about Jesus to "loose women", |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Huh? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. I guess you haven't been paying attention. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
53. Absolutely Murder. How's That Even Up For Discussion? n/t |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-31-07 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
55. Update - Her property was vandalized; She has bruises |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-01-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. I'll save my sympathy for the babies. |
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