How do I say this

without pissing off a lot of people?

I hate the idea of the Clintons back in the WH. I do NOT hate the Clintons. I WILL vote for Senator Clinton if she's the nominee.

What I hate is idea of carrying on the same going nowhere battle that America's been engaged in for 15 years. It's a deep rut and it will just get deeper. Hate Clinton, hate bush, hate clinton. It's in danger of becoming a bizarre political ping pong match. And the press will have a field day with it; playing it up, stirring the muck.

We need a to break with the bush/clinton/bush/clinton paradigm. Sure, they'd hate Obama or Edwards, but it wouldn't be the same entrenched battle lines.

....the Constitutional role of the U.S. Congress control of money.

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How Far Will The Crash Go and What Do We Do Now?
The “Crash of 2007-8” is underway
by Richard C. Cook

Global Research, August 18, 2007

The immediate triggers are being described quite well: the collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage market; the vulnerability of the rest of the economy to the subprime undertow, due to the “efficiency” of the markets in spreading risk; the worldwide overextension of cheap credit; the failure of large institutional investors and Wall Street brokerages to behave responsibly; and the long-term effects of the U.S. trade and fiscal deficits which are now coming home to roost.

Amazingly, some commentators have been asking “if the monetary crisis will affect the producing economy,” and whether a recession lies ahead. In reality, the U.S. producing economy has been in a recession for the last year. This is shown most clearly by the decline in M1, the portion of the money supply immediately available to people for making purchases.


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And can anything be done about it? Of course.

In previous articles on the Global Research website and elsewhere, this writer has offered a list of reforms—mostly monetary—that can and should be made. They all involve the recognition of credit as a public utility, part of the societal commons, not the private playground of the financiers, with the Fed as their facilitator.

Low-cost credit overseen by the federal government was the basic building block of the New Deal. It was done by strong people with an ideal of public service, though in many respects they didn’t go far enough and relied too much on World War II and armaments to attain a full-employment economy.

We now need a New Deal for the 21st century that would correct the flaws of the last one, resolve the present crisis, and carry us into a future that will benefit everyone, not just the privileged few.
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It's like dueling dynasties. It's boring in sports too.

with the nightmare legacy of Billy in a very public and disturbing way this coming week. That's when the borders open and Mexican truckers take away more American jobs by being allowed to cross the border into the US.

Bill Clinton's only claim to fame is that he was a good talker and he was one lucky devil. He was elected as the dot.com bubble was taking off and he went out was it was bursting. In the meantime he gave corporate America as much as he could at the expense of the American workers.

I don't expect anything less from Hils.

Jeb to look forward to.

In my view, one of the problems with Edwards is much the same as the problem with Clinton: too much polish, too much choreography, too much an act. Obama's flaws are the opposite. I'll take the opposite, thank you.

:hippie:

I partially feel the same way.

Somebody said awhile back that the final nominee isn't even on the radar yet...that's encouraging...

Don't give up hope...

BTW: Hillary doesn't scare me as much as she once did...and I find I'm agreeing with a lot of her statements lately...

That's the only way you're going to see real change. You'd all better realize that pretty quickly. Time's running out.

and I too will vote for Senator Clinton if she becomes the nominee. However, I would prefer just about any of the other prospective candidates as the Democratic contender.

whether it be Adams, Bush, or Clinton...we're not a monarchy.

Dynasties are for network television. Not the Oval Office.

I face the dilemma, as well. I like Hillary Clinton on some levels, and I recognize her superior political savvy and accumen, compared to ALL of the other candidates. Really. It's hard for any questioner or opponent to best her on anything. And Bill being in her corner, well, that's the Cat's Meow, since he's one of the best politicians on the planet.

But...I don't agree with her positions on some of the issues. And I would really like to see CHANGE. And INTEGRITY. And ETHICS. And a VISION. Not that Hillary doesn't have some of these things, but she's not the embodiment of change and integrity, etc.

A dilemma. I'm not crazy about any of the other candidates, either, though.

I still like Obama and will wait to see if he gains some traction after the first couple of primaries. Or if he busts. If he busts, it looks like it'll be Clinton. Oh, well. Could be worse. Could be Ghouliani or Thompson.

And I both campaigned for and voted for Hill in NY in 2000. I now live in NJ - would someone tell me when she's coming here? Or is it 'in the bag' as they say.

Part of my distaste comes from the fact that even SHE believes it's in the bag. The Democrats in general have GOT to stop thinking that a win in 2008 is a 'given'. There are no guarantees, anything can happen, and they need to run like our lives depend on it. Because the reality is - they do.

Back to Clinton- this is not a monarchy. She is a lightning rod. And the country will wind up even more divided than it already is.

But, primary voters don't seem to mind. Also, I don't think we should be too sanguine about moving on and letting the Bush family have the best of that with their two presidencies to the Clinton's one.

We could elect Jesus and the right wing would hate him. The notion that those people will every get out of that rut is naive.

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"We could elect Jesus and the right wing would hate him. The notion that those people will every get out of that rut is naive."


And the irony is - there's no way Jesus would ever run on a Republican ticket. Love it!

we won't have it with her in office. We need to bring our brothers and sisters back together again, start healing and fix this country.