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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:00 PM
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My family stopped eating Microwave popcorn 4-5 months ago because I read an article on DU about it
and the MSM is just now reporting it? Do you have any idea how often this happens? We here at DU know things 2, 3, 4, 5 months before the rest of the people in this country because our media doesn't report the things they should and in this instance, the crap may cause LUNG DISEASE! Yet Anna Nicole Smith, Scott Peterson, The Duke Rape case, Vick and OJ Simpson get non-stop coverage? WTF?

Once again, DU has the news that matters waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the propagandists decide it's newsworthy.



Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes
By MARCUS KABEL, Associated Press Writer

6 hours ago

Consumers, not just factory workers, may be in danger from fumes from buttery flavoring in microwave popcorn, according to a warning letter to federal regulators from a doctor at a leading lung research hospital.

A pulmonary specialist at Denver's National Jewish Medical and Research Center has written to federal agencies to say doctors there believe they have the first case of a consumer who developed lung disease from the fumes of microwaving popcorn several times a day for years.

"We cannot be sure that this patient's exposure to butter flavored microwave popcorn from daily heavy preparation has caused his lung disease," cautioned Dr. Cecile Rose. "However, we have no other plausible explanation."

The July letter, made public Tuesday by a public health policy blog, refers to a potentially fatal disease commonly called popcorn lung that has been the subject of lawsuits by hundreds of workers at food factories exposed to chemicals used for flavoring.<snip>

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/09/05/755478.html&cvqh=itn_popcorn
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:04 PM
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1. I thought it was the teflon that they use in the bag
not the chemicals that make it buttery. Hey, maybe it is the same thing.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:05 PM
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2. A thread from April on it:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:10 PM
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7. There ya go! It was on DU in APRIL! This is September and the MSM has finally decided to report on
it. How pathetic.
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MUSTANG_2004 Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 01:17 PM
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52. MSM was reporting it earlier
After all, the original DU post referenced a NY Times column. This is a new issue where a consumer, not a worker, died from exposure.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:05 PM
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3. I got a microwavable popcorn popper and now just buy kernels
Factory workers dieing is no big deal, but heaven forbid CONSUMERS actually contracting it. Thats an emergency.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:44 PM
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28. Give me Orville in a jar anyday.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:08 PM
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31. Is that like Prince Albert in a can?
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:19 PM
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39. Oh, you silly goose....


But maybe you weren't born then. So big and fluffy.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:27 PM
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41. "Or my name isn't Orville Redenbacker"
I remember those commercials!

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 12:17 PM
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51. Same here...and it is great popcorn.
I used to pop it on my gas stove and put in butter, garlic, and ceyenne pepper...joy!!
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:07 PM
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4. This person microwaved popcorn several times a day for years.
I don't think there is any danger in microwaving it occasionally. Several times a day seems pretty excessive.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:11 PM
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10. We have a microwave in the office
People use it every day to pop popcorn (among other things). The cuberats next to it could be in danger.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:08 PM
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5. Have you stopped drinking beer?
There's plenty of diacetyl in beer.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:12 PM
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12. I think it's the burning fumes that's the problem. Not just the chemical
itself. I suppose if you boil your beer before you drink it, it could be a problem.:)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:13 PM
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13. Nah, I think it's the chemical.
It's electrophilic, I bet it adducts to nucleophilic AA residues and DNA.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:20 PM
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16. The warning I heard quoted on the news today was "Avoid the fumes coming from your microwave while
it's popping." BREATHING IT seems to cause lung diseaseor they suspect it does.

I'm just repeating what I heard.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:45 AM
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50. People were getting disease in the factory...where they're not even cooking the popcorn.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:30 PM
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42. That doesn't mean you're inhaling it
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:08 PM
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6. My husband & I were discussing this last night
Many times we've noted the news found on DU is light years ahead of the MSM.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:11 PM
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8. I like air-popped anyway.
Tastes less chemical, just as quick-and-easy with no cleanup, and you can add real butter to it instead of "buttery flavoring."
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:17 PM
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14. I do mine on stovetop, in oil.
The only way it tastes right to me.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:22 PM
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17. That's what we do now. It tastes so much better. n/t
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:42 PM
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21. Exponentially better.
I can't stand the microwaved crap. Can't imagine why anyone eats it, at least at home (maybe in an office, if you're desperate...)
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:11 PM
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9. You are right. DUers are always way ahead of eveyone else in awareness.
Edited on Wed Sep-05-07 01:11 PM by BrklynLib at work
I always come here first thing to find out what is REALLY going on in the world. Then a few weeks later I hear or read in the MSM some "breaking news" that I have known for weeks thanks to DU.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:11 PM
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11. You might want to stop drinking beer and wine too
Diacetyl is a naturally occurring byproduct of fermentation. I think the highlighted paragraph below is the key though.
Rose said the ailing patient, a man whom she wouldn't identify, consumed "several bags of extra butter flavored microwave popcorn" every day for several years.

He described progressively worsening respiratory symptoms of coughing and shortness of breath. Tests found his ability to exhale was deteriorating, Rose said, although his condition seemed to stabilize after he quit using microwave popcorn.

She said her staff measured airborne levels of diacetyl in the patient's home when he cooked the popcorn. The levels were "similar to those reported in the microwave oven exhaust area" at the quality assurance unit of the popcorn plant where the affected employees worked, she said.

David Michaels, of the George Washington University School of Public Health, who first published Rose's letter on his blog, The Pump Handle, said the finding is another reason for federal regulators to crack down on diacetyl exposure by workers and consumers.


While diacetyl exposure in an industrial setting does indeed seem to cause bronchiolitis obliterans one would expect that most consumers would not make "several bags of extra butter flavored microwave popcorn" every single day for years on end. Still, Wikipedia notes that Weaver at least has agreed to replace diacetyl as a flavoring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacetyl#Worker_safety
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:13 PM
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32. Several bags a day?
Can't imagine all that saturated fat did much good for him either.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:24 PM
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35. That's what I like about you
Always looking on the bright side. :)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 09:31 PM
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47. Your article said that AIRBORNE diacetyl was the cause of lung problems
What is the evidence that drinking it is unhealthy? Reminds me of the depleted uranium health hazard. It's true that you could put your futon on a block of it and sleep there for your entire life without taking any harm, but burning it and inhaling the particles is a far different matter.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:32 AM
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48. I was being facetious
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 07:34 AM by salvorhardin
Or perhaps sarcastic. The hand-wringing reaction in this thread seemed a bit over-the-top to me. I don't think there's much disagreement that inhaling large quantities of diacetyl over long periods of time is a bad thing. However I seriously doubt the average office worker need cringe in fear every time a co-worker enjoys a bag of popcorn for lunch. On the other hand, popping and eating several bags per day, every single day for years is moronic.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:20 PM
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15. I stopped eating microwave popcorn because it sucks. :)
OK, I too have sinned, but it's really not comparable to traditional popcorn.

Too bad it's such a pain to clean the pot.
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MadinMo Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:39 PM
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18. We eat regular popcorn at home too
because it is so much better, and it is way cheaper. I went to a flea market and got a heavy duty pot that I use exclusively for popcorn.

There is (was?) a microwave popcorn plant nearby that has been sued by many former employees because they developed severe breathing problems while working there. After that, I didn't really want microwave popcorn anymore.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:41 PM
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19. ABC News is not MSM?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:42 PM
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20. The Washington Post isn't part of the MSM?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:43 PM
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22. The Associated Press not MSM?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:19 PM
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33. The NY Times not MSM?
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Colorado Progressive Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:46 PM
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23. To hell with popcorn. It broke my tooth! nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:47 PM
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24. My kids usually eat a bag or two a day. No joking
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:14 PM
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25. I spent some time at a popcorn factory in the middle of Nowhere, IN
Like the Redenbachers who were "next door" neighbors, this was a family-owned plant attached to a tiny town surrounded by many acres of popcorn fields. They were the world's largest producer of popcorn for movie theaters.

The plant was modern, clean and well-run. I saw every part of it. Where they added the butter coating was definitely the one unpleasant spot in the whole operation.

Still, it didn't seem as bad as working in an office where one bag of microwave corn stinks up the whole floor for the balance of the day. I hate the smell of that stuff.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:14 PM
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26. We switched over to no-butter flavor popcorn a few months ago
after we saw it on DU.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:16 PM
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27. I noticed that a long time ago, that important news stories are on DU first.
MSM, months later, if at all.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:21 PM
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34. funny, because the story about microwave popcorn made it to DU from the MSM
Edited on Wed Sep-05-07 05:24 PM by onenote
Do a search of the threads from last spring about the dangers of microwave popcorn -- they are based on reports in the NY Times, Washington Post and KING TV.

Sorry.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:48 PM
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44. With All Due Respect, This Story Was Originally Broken Before DU Even Existed If I Recall Correctly.
This has been in the process of being investigated for years now.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:08 PM
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29. My Aged Parent clipped the article for me and I got to tell AP more about it.
Thanks DU.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:07 PM
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30. Huh? What? Anna Nicole? Where?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:25 PM
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36. I bought some of the old fashion kind you pop on the stove.
But it didn't have the same tastey carcinogens as the microwave. I bought microwavey the last time I went to the store. :crazy:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:29 PM
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37. Actually, I think "60 Minutes" had a piece on it a few YEARS ago
about how several people who worked in a popcorn factory were awaiting lung transplants , because they breathed all that gunk in, while working :(.. i think the company was trying to deny them benefits also.:(

I cannot stand the odor of that artificial "butter" stuff.. All I have to do is walk down that aisle, and it chokes me ..
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:02 PM
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38. Exactly! My SO wasnt sure that I had fallen off my
...rocker...but I learned about dicetyl through DU, also saw the first news about China and the poison they sell, what a great resource DU is!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:25 PM
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40. It's the FAKE BUTTER chemical, not the popcorn itself
You don't have to stop eating micro popcorn. There are plenty of brands with NO fake butter. That fake butter will kill you anyway, regardless of whether you breathe it or store in your ass and hips. There is no need to eat these chemicals...even REAL popcorn with REAL melted butter just isn't difficult to make. Try it sometimes! It'll blow your mind how good it tastes...nothing like the fake nasty movie theater chemical crap.

:popcorn:

.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:49 PM
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45. Actually, it's a real butter chemical.
There's diacetyl in real, old fashioned butter too. It's what gives butter its taste and smell. That's why they use it as flavoring.

Plus, also, there's cholesterol in butter.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:46 PM
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43. I'd Say This Is HIGHLY Unlikely, And Will Be Firmly Rebutted. Diacetyl Should Be Absolutely Harmless
in the minute quantities used in an actual popcorn bag.

Lingering over pure diacetyl without proper equipment, then sure, there's been some problems. But I find it highly unlikely, and I mean HIGHLY unlikely, that any consumer would be in any danger whatsoever.

So I'd say if ya like your popcorn, then eat your popcorn. :)
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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:50 PM
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46. I can't stand the smell of it
even though my daughters have gotten into eating it. It's just a fad for them that I'm sure they'll outgrow. I'm not overly worried.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:42 AM
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49. I am a popcorn junkie, and maybe it's time again to bring out the
pot instead of microwaving. I seem to buy the Natural or the Smart Pop Orville popcorn.
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