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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:25 PM Original message |
Should Parents Be Prosecuted For Child Abuse If They Try To "Change" Their Kid's Sexual Orientation? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. No. eom |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So you condone abuse? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Uh...no. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. roflmao |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No, I was just using that as an example. eom |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:36 PM Original message |
not a very good one, obviously - |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
23. Jesus H. Christ. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. None of those work, really. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I never said I did think that. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. And actually not that far out of an example, varkam |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Shhh...don't tell that to the folks here. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Wouldn't playing football make him even gayer, if anything? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
88. Football isn't gay, it's stupid (nt) |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #63 |
90. 'even gayer' - as if there are degrees of it. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #63 |
114. There are so may idiotic posts in this thread. This is one of the top 3. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
92. It's too bad he didn't join the football team. He really should have. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. No, just because you don't like the question posed doesn't make it inflammatory |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Here is what you wrote in the OP: |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Well, how do we protect the children |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You still have not made your case that it is abuse. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
64. Trying to force a child to disown his very nature isn't abuse? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #64 |
86. Emotionally I agree, but I'm not sure how it translates into a legal argument eom |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:42 AM Response to Reply #64 |
95. I would also add that... |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:01 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. And the jury's still out on "very nature" |
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dbackjon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
133. Sending children to "correct" their sexual orientation |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #133 |
144. At the time of my post the OP had not asked the question yet |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. why do you think that way? n/t |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. The OP is going to have to be more specific. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I'm not certain you know what "sexual orientation" means. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. I do. eom |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
85. Similar to the Enhanced Interrogations rule? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Uh...no. |
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fedupfisherman (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. No |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. see post #2 |
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fedupfisherman (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You did not define 'change' |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Bringing them to an "ex-gay" counselor to "turn" them into heterosexuals |
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fedupfisherman (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:44 PM Original message |
What about the other way around? |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
42. wow that happens all the time!! Are you Bill O'Reilly? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. That too |
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fedupfisherman (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Gotcha |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
57. But doesn't this all depend on what the "ex-gay" counselor actually does? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Uh, isn't trying to force a child to change what he fundamentally is abuse? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #65 |
121. Force is wrong. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. ... |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. do you have a supporting argument? n/t |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. what do you mean by "change" - |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I mean |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. Best answer in the entire thread--you can't change them!!! nt |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Apparently, some here think they can be changed. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. For the record |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. There is no choice. When did you choose your sexuality? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I didn't choose mine. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Do you have any evidence, whatsoever, that people *ever* choose their sexual orientation? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Ah, I see. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Remember your last sentence the next time you hear of a gay teen killing himself... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Again, I think they are morally detestable. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:09 AM Response to Reply #77 |
98. Please don't let some folks muddy your highly cogent argument |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Carlos Mencia. Dave Chappelle, and Eddie Murphy do fairly well with changing their ethnicity, but it |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. Pass the (non microwaved) popcorn |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Don't get |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. Getting in the way of parents' decisions is a... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Sexual orientation does not mean "have sex". |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Oh, it's that simple then? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #36 |
67. Sexual orientation is about who you're attracted to, even when sex isn't in the picture. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
128. Many people think of it that way. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. well, alot of parents let their kids date |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. How can you tell the difference? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Yes, but at that age |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Actually, it sort of is... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The OP is not about sex |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. My daughters are attracted to boys and I wish they weren't |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:13 AM Response to Reply #48 |
99. When I was in Junior High |
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libnnc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yes. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
24. Yes. Absolutely. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I liked Sam Seder's name for an ex-gay camp.... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I'm not familiar with him. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
68. My, how unwittingly homophobic of Mr. Seder. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Well said! |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Hey.... |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. I think so |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
28. Yes. It is proven to be futile, and even harmful. NT |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Yes, it is decidedly psychological abuse |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. self delete... |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
49. Depends on how genetic you think being gay is.... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
51. If a hetero child's parents tried to force them to be gay... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Welp, I wondered if all the clamor about |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. To be honest with you ruggerson, |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. That's my feeling too |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Wow that would take a lot of resources |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:35 AM Response to Reply #59 |
112. Do you really think being forced to play baseball is the same |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. You're not wrong |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #58 |
70. Indeed. Think of all those here who rail on about dead soldiers, but forget the Iraqi children. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
139. I'm inclined to agree with you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
100. Deleted message |
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mentalsolstice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
60. My dad is left-handed |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
102. I'm pretty sure it's not the same, |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
61. I feel like a broken record |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #61 |
71. What a heartless message you send! |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #61 |
76. Question for you... |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Why is sexual orientation so special? |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:48 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. Sexual orientation defines a huge part of your waking existence, |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:48 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. The prominence of sexual identity in your self image.... |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #104 |
125. You imagine? Probably? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
134. Its a difference between being in the majority, and hence "normal" and being in the minority... |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #103 |
124. I guess I'm not an "everyone" |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #103 |
140. "Sexual orientation is a huge part of everyone's individual psyche." |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
127. Perhaps... |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
101. There was a period during my junior year of high school |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
126. We disagree. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #126 |
143. I thought about using some stars instead of the word |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Translation... |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
148. I think you are bring worked (n/m) |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:37 AM Response to Reply #61 |
91. 'This is my last post on the topic.' - well, that's a relief. nt |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #61 |
119. baseball is bad, so gay camps are no big deal |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
141. Um, these camps aren't social settings |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
62. Yes. |
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tyedyeto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
75. I have known gay parents and never has anyone questioned...... |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
80. Depends on how it is done. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
81. Not even remotely |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
82. Yes, and that's from a counseling perspective. |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. From that point, I can see it |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
93. There are a great many things parents should be prosecuted for |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:15 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. You're going to be locking up an awful lot of parents. eom |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #94 |
110. Delete |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #93 |
120. Why don't you just raise all earth's children |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. they can have a twinkie once in a while |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
96. No |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
105. It is |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
106. Locking people up is not the answer |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
107. I would say no. nt. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
108. I would have to say no. I think a better avenue to take would |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
109. It's at least emotional abuse but not necessarily criminal depending on the circumstances |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
111. It depends on the situation. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
113. It is already illegal to abuse or neglect a child. No further laws are needed. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Indeed - but the issue is that these voodoo treatments are not widely understood to |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Then it's time for a prosecutor to set a precedent. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Agreed. Though I spoke in the affirmative to the OP's question, it was fuly intended |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #115 |
152. The OP did not specify any particular kind of intervention |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
118. I lean towards "yes" but would like to know the law/s and punishment you had in mind. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
122. No. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
130. I believe sexual orientation is often fluid in early childhood and subject to some influence |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. Christianity is inherently abusive. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Wow, that was pretty extemporaneous |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #145 |
154. It took longer than I initially thought for |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #130 |
147. What he said. /nt |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
131. It depends. |
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dbackjon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
132. Definately |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
135. Wouldn't it be a great thing if we cold force such parents to stop doing these things? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
136. Yes, I think so. |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
137. Damn right there should be. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
138. I don't know, can they prosecute for emotional abuse now? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
142. No. They Should Have Their Kids Taken Away From Them. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #142 |
149. There ya go. nt |
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AnotherGreenWorld (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
150. Yes. |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
153. How does someone know the sexual orientation of a child? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Oh you bet a redneck daddy will think his 6 year old boy is a fruit if he picks up a doll. |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. In more ways than one! |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
156. If, and only if... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Out of curiosity |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Neither is a choice... |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
158. The ex-gay movement has been thorougly discredited |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
160. Oh C'mon Now. |
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