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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:36 PM Original message |
Are Door Bag Searches Legal? (From Crime Doctor dot com) |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Did you really mean to start a new thread? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yeah, easier than surfing through em all to find a simple answer w/link |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I was gonna toss in there that you can't tap your feet while waiting... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. I want the greeters to say, "I love you," like they do in Costco in Idiocracy. nt |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. if they tell me they love me, I will say prove it |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Asking that to the wrong person will get you the WRONG kind of proof. |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I think Costco runs a bit differently. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. They will in the future according to Idiocracy. nt |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
143. You are correct - it's part of the membership terms you agree to when joining. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Did you go to law skool there too? n/t |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
188. No, I used to work in Starbucks. nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's perfectly legal for them to ask. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Let the cop do that |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. I don't think that's correct - that refusing to be searched is probable cause to be searched. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Alright, maybe not refusing to be searched. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
86. I was thinking about that issue. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
80. Why would that be "probable cause?" That's a legal term not a |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
164. Maddy McCall posted about this weeks/months ago |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. the stores typically post signs that they ask, so you consent upon entry |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. That is the case with Circuit City |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. You know, I just love the way you write. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
137. Aw, shucks! |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
93. Would You Care To Post Anything That Confirms This Implied Consent Decree? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
136. Boy, what is it with people and fantasies of contractually enforced sexual violation? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #136 |
159. "One cannot commit to a sexual exchange as part of a business contract" |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #136 |
170. You are talking out of your posterior. |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #136 |
189. Boy, What Is It With People Who Don't Understand A Slippery Slope Argument.? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
190. Or the opportunity to set up a 'legal fund' to scam money |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. That wouldn't necessarily be true informed consent |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Not a valid comparison |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Huh? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You're just drawing the line in a different place |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I replied to #2 - he was arrested, therefore the government did the detaining |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. That's not unlawful detention |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. He or she is subject to store policy |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Agreed, with the stipulation... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Of course. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
79. He most certainly did cooperate..... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. to those who worship authority, compliance is never enough. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. If you're contending that he thereby dispelled any reasonable suspicion, I must disagree |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. You have it ass back wards. No one has to prove innocence. The state has to prove guilt. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
144. Sure, the state has to prove guilt in order to convict |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #83 |
98. The cop didn't ask him to submit the car to a search...... |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
72. In the price on the menu |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Right, but... |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. That's rather tenuous |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. So a store has no right to eject someone who, for instance, wears no shoes or shirt? |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. I don't know if stores have that right |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #95 |
135. Restaurants, sure. But what about other businesses that have similar policies? |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #135 |
151. The only thing I'm getting close to |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #151 |
155. Hey, nobody forced you to click "reply" |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
160. The rule in my nudist camp is - no clothes or you leave |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #87 |
173. What sophistry! |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. What if they said, we reserve the right to have sex with every customer of age.? Sex |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. I'll type this slowly, so that you can understand |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. You keep talking about contracts and contract law..... |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #94 |
134. Again, you're basing your question upon the one-sided hearsay of our beleaguered narrator |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. This whole discussion is based on the "case" as it has been presented. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. I was responding to your question |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Based on what. What are you basing your opinion on? Why do you believe |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #97 |
133. Entering into a contract to have sex as part of a business transaction is illegal |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #133 |
150. What's the wording? Since you seem t believe that shopping is giving up your rights, what's the |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. Thanks for informing me of my beliefs |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #154 |
175. LOL! |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #150 |
157. I dearly hope |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:36 AM Response to Reply #157 |
176. Those generally don't stand up in court, either. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #133 |
161. Why Do You Call Making Porn Illegal? /nt |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:31 AM Response to Reply #88 |
174. Are you actually schooled in contract law? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
171. You have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Left Is Write (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. No, the posted signs do not mean you consent to being searched by entering the store. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. The ONLY store where this truly applies is Costco |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
142. Fourth Amendment???? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. That still doesn't give them the right to detain you. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. You don't consent to being illegally detained. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
168. BULLSHIT! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #168 |
196. Most follks don't have the foggiest comprehension of "adhesive contracts." |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Exactly. Corporations have brainwashed us into thinking that we have about |
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daninthemoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. My walmart has a guy who sits at the garden exit, and calls for you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Next time quote the fourth ammendment and walk |
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daninthemoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Tried that, but my wife wouldn't leave until I brought the guy the |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Well you did it to quiet your wife |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. the fourth ammendment applies to the gov't |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. I absolutely hate it |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yes, but stores can ban you for refusing to submit to them. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Yes, they can ban you for any reason |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
75. It does go both ways and no one has the absolute right to go into the store |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
20. Folks YOU HAVE a right to be safe in your papers |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. The fourth amendment only applies to government intrusions. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I thought there was a police officer involved? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Yes, in this case a police officer got involved |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I have and having talked to Constitutional Lawyers |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I don't think that is right. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. False detainment or forced search is |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. it is NOT A RIGHT and NOT protected by the constitution |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Go ahead and surrender |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. this has NOTHING TO DO with corporate personhood |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. Ok once again |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I am challenging your assertion that this somehow violates |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Issues like this are described in case law |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. you just can't say it, can you? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
109. I'm sorry if you can't get it |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 07:44 AM Response to Reply #109 |
187. you obviously have no reading comprehension skills |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. The issue with the cop is different. I am referring only to whether a search |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. the only thing they did wrong in this situation |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. As they said |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. and they have a right to deny service from that point forward |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Look if you are willing to surrender your rights |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. IT IS NOT ABOUT RIGHTS |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #58 |
166. They have a right to ask |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:43 AM Response to Reply #49 |
178. Yes, they have the right to deny ANYONE service. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. I was addressing your point specifically. Not that other thread. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
69. They have a right to ask |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 05:38 AM Response to Reply #31 |
185. really? awesome |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
177. Correct. It is not a 4th amendment issue. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #177 |
193. Wouldn't it be a false imprisonment issue as opposed to a kidnapping issue? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Yes. My mistake. Good point. n/t |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. once again... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. It does not apply to companies |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. no...the fourth amendment ONLY APPLIES TO THE GOV'T |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. We will never see eye to eye |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. and you will continue to claim that your rights |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I believe you want this statement explained (which is the statement that brought me into this): |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. If a person |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Sure. But the case would not involve the Fourth Amendment. NT. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I agree. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Yeah, it is a pretty complex situation. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. It would have been |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Now if the store called it would have been more interesting |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Right. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Read about and you will be amazed and saddened |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
51. And another salient quote from that page... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
71. I was asked to open my purse, once. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Back when I was a little kid, there was a store owner who said - you touch it, you buy it |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
92. My standard reply |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
89. you know what I see in these threads. A bunch of pseudo-liberal posers looking down at others |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. hot DAMN, I love this post n/t |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. What I see is a couple of authoritarian lovers who will bend over anytime they are told too, |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. you don't like the store's policy, don't shop there. This is not a civil liberties issue |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Alright, I won't. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. some of the other posters were more correct than they realized when they said "pick your battles" |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. If a company treats their customers like shit, they probably treat their employees worse. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. I'll admit it, I do stop for the alarms |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #115 |
149. if you don't have the right tools, those things are a bitch to get off |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #111 |
147. some people, like many in this thread, only define themselves by how "counter-culture" they are |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #147 |
191. It's the impotent acting out. They can't do anything about real violations of civil rghts |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #191 |
195. If you want to act like a sheep with no rights, go right ahead. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. ANd you pick these threads because you may be mentally ill? Or is this your way |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:50 AM Response to Reply #107 |
180. It ain't a fucking "battle," dude. It's a simple, typically uneventful, choice. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #180 |
200. You call us sheep, but I am not the one who was suckered by an Ayn Rand whorshipping wannabe |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. The stores policy isn't enforceable through physical coercion. If they |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #110 |
146. this has nothing to do with housing discrimination, and certainly has nothing to do with rape |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. I knew you couldn't resist. but only because you are here overthrowing the empire, right? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #152 |
158. no, go on. You obviously think housing discrimination and gang rape are trivial non-issues |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
131. Authoritarian Lovers.... |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #131 |
148. this whole story just gets more and more pathetic |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. And he does it for the purpose of.... |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. there's a new thread on who this guy is, turns out hes a Ayn Rand worshipping libertarian wannabe |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #162 |
165. I'm shocked... shocked I tell you... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #165 |
181. Great tag team lawyering, dudes! |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #181 |
192. What, pray tell, is "tag team lawyering"? |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #192 |
204. Yeah, it sure ain't no "tag team" until I join in! |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. Meh - just wanted to answer the simple question, not get into the rest |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #89 |
103. Since when has it ever been okay |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. if you rush out like the jerk in the now infamous thread did, you are suspicious |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #105 |
119. Not from a legal standpoint. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. When you joined costco you singed a contract |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I'm still not sure they could actually physically detain me, though. I don't know. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Legally if they detain you and you didn't do a thing |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. I can understand why Costco does it. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #105 |
182. That's a Catch-22 and you know it. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
106. Interesting assumptions you are making here |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. let me guess, more empty gestures that get you just enough satisfaction without any real risk |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Not quite.... an Amicus brief to the United States Supreme |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. Thought so, you really do not want to go down that road |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
123. If only I could recommend a post within a thread! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #89 |
172. How would YOU know where we put our money, vs. our mouths? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #172 |
199. you're so caught up in sticking it to "the man" that you forgot who "the man" actually is |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:47 AM Response to Reply #89 |
179. You know what I see in your post? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #179 |
198. What a bunch of fucking bullshit. Get over yourself and open your fucking eyes |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. My values aren't hollow. I see the issue for what it is. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. the guy deliberately started shit so he could have a story, and you believed him |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #202 |
203. I don't care about the guy one whit. I care about the corporate cronies |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
90. If you don't comply they'll just get your tag# |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. Since when do Americans have to prove innocence? I can see we are already |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. Of course; |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. An explaination for what? Being illegally detaned by a bag checker? |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. Most people don't break out of the norm |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Ok having known many cops |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
114. They can |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
124. Everyone who objects to bag inspections: ready to pay higher prices if it stops? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Is there any evidence that's actually the case? |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #127 |
141. You're kidding, right? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Not kidding. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:11 AM Response to Reply #141 |
184. Would you also like to piss in a jar every day to prove you are clean? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. They guys and gals cheking your receipt are |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #130 |
139. Are you referring to teams of shoplifters or teams of store security? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #139 |
167. I mean the teams |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #124 |
169. Is that what happened in the past? Is that what happens in other stores today? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:08 AM Response to Reply #124 |
183. What bullshit. I don't steal. So how could my personal refusal |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
126. No, the worst thing that could happen is that they TRY to forcibly detain me... |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
132. Thanka you thanka you thanka you. |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
153. You bolded the wrong part. "Basically, nothing in the law gives the merchant the right to detain |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
163. If I wanted to steal something it would be down my pants or |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
186. K&R |
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