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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:22 AM Original message |
If we allow our party to become divided, no one faction will prevail |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. The words "effective majority" are the key here. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. by 'effective' I mean legislatively |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. kicking for this response....well said. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
39. They ALSO REFUSE to Defund The Wars! |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. As long as the DLC is in the party, |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I think many are unfairly and inaccurately branded as DLC |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. Over the last 40 years the neocons have infiltrated |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. they seem to have affected voters as well |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
8. How can I "unite" with people and policies I find abhorrent? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I would hope that your labels are accurate |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. You are naive. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. in some cases that manipulation by party operatives was demonstratively so (to some extent) |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. It means we have to put the fight right out in front |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. I'm all for doing that in an election |
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Larry Ogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-08-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
70. Being a member of DU, I’m sure you understand the power of the mainstream media. |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
10. I have long feared that Dems are too eager to divide themselves |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
12. Compromise to DLC/Blue/New/Bush Dogs mean Progressives have to give in |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Were the compromise timetable bills advanced by progressive votes |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. That's a classic example of Robbien's post... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. One quibble re timetables. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Good point... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I think you're ignoring the effort to actually get the bills to the floor for a vote |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. They could have just sent the same bill to Bush, to be vetoed over and over again... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. the leadership held to their promise that those funds would not be held hostage |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. The timetable bills were so watered down by DLC/Blue/New/Bush Dogs |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. the alternative in this Congress was to sit on their hands and refuse to vote for anything |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Progressive bills never get enough votes because DLC/Blue/New/Bush Dogs never |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. They still need votes that occur in the open |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. There is no need for a veto proof bill, if it agrees with the GOP mindset |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I name then so because, they name themselves so |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. The exact same respect that the media gives when it just parrots Bush/GOP |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Ah, there it is, the accusation of republicanism |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I have not said you are a GOPer |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. that's an absolute lie |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I never label anyone a moderate. Ever |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I wouldn't be so satisfied in your unsupported smears |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. eh |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I have never posted 'scorn and distain' for progressives |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I find it childish |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I didn't capitalize 'progressives', and that's derision??? |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Each of these numerous repetitive DLC/Blue/New/BushDog threads |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. your fucking lies don't make your case at all |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. again |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. they use weasel words |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. agree 100% nt |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
18. I believe there are some people who want just that |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
23. at this point coming apart looks ok |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
24. Tell it to those who divide us |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. that's a pretty solid statement |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. They are significant in number so as |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. There have been two major actions (initiatives) by both houses |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. With all that has happened and all the rights lost |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. well said. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I wish I knew what was in the head |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Uhm, as far as I can tell, there was no debate, and little dissent over the Iraq Oil theft... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. A majority of Democrats voted for legislation containing an exit date |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
25. The idea that there are only two ideologies in America is ridiculous |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
27. OK, let's start by being democratic. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
34. Become divided? |
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spindoctor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
37. Here's a thought: We could merge with the Republicans and win EVERY election |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You could. All it costs is your eternal soul. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. of course, that's not at all what I'm proposing |
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spindoctor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Elections are where we put our ideals forward in an unapologetic fashion |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I would generally agree, except on an issue like bringing troops home from Iraq |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. what qualifies as "bickering, division, and obstruction" and what doesn't? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
51. It's already divided- and with progressives getting the short end of the stick |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I don't believe there is such thing as a productive 'falling out' |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
55. Our party was very much united until Pelosi divided us. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
65. the party is already divided |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
66. Unity is overrated |
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