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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:05 AM
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Melting Greenland Ice Cap Triggering Earthquakes
Melting ice cap triggering earthquakes
· Estimates of sea-level rise out of date, say scientists
· Religious leaders pray for planet at Greenland glacier


Paul Brown in Ilulissat
The Guardian
Saturday September 8 2007

The Greenland ice cap is melting so quickly that it is triggering earthquakes as pieces of ice several cubic kilometres in size break off. Scientists monitoring events this summer say the acceleration could be catastrophic in terms of sea-level rise and make predictions this February by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change far too low. The glacier at Ilulissat, which supposedly spawned the iceberg that sank the Titantic, is now flowing three times faster into the sea than it was 10 years ago.

Robert Corell, chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, said in Ilulissat yesterday: "We have seen a massive acceleration of the speed with which these glaciers are moving into the sea. The ice is moving at 2 metres an hour on a front 5km <3 miles> long and 1,500 metres deep. That means that this one glacier puts enough fresh water into the sea in one year to provide drinking water for a city the size of London for a year." He is visiting Greenland as part of a symposium of religious, scientific, and political leaders to look at the problems of the island, which has an ice cap 3km thick containing enough water to raise worldwide sea levels by seven metres.

Yesterday Christian, Shia, Sunni, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist and Jewish religious leaders took a boat to the tongue of the glacier for a silent prayer for the planet. They were invited by Bartholomew I, the spiritual leader of 250 million Orthodox Christians worldwide. Dr Corell, director of the global change programme at the Heinz Centre in Washington, said the estimates of sea level rise in the IPCC report were based on data two years old. The predicted rise this century was 20-60cm (about 8-24ins), but it would be at the upper end of this range at a minimum, he said, and some believed it could be two metres. This would be catastrophic for European coastlines. He had flown over the Ilulissat glacier and "seen gigantic holes in it through which swirling masses of melt water were falling.

I first looked at this glacier in the 1960s and there were no holes. These so-called moulins, 10 to 15 metres across, have opened up all over the place. There are hundreds of them." This melt water was pouring through to the bottom of the glacier creating a lake 500 metres deep which was causing the glacier "to float on land. These melt-water rivers are lubricating the glacier, like applying oil to a surface and causing it to slide into the sea. It is causing a massive acceleration which could be catastrophic."

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/08/climatechange/print
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:14 AM
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1. The ultimate "hidden" GW story....
From space, it looks like the Arctic Ocean is melting, but the Greenland glaciers are holding. In fact, Greenland glaciers are melting and the water is pooling under the glaciers. This sets the stage for a massive, uncontrolled, ice release. Could be next year, could be 20 years out. But it's coming. When (not if) it does, the sudden world-wide ocean rise will make Katrina's displacement look like a minor traffic jam after the end of a church service.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:31 AM
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4. Beautifully stated
Be afraid.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:31 AM
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7. And millions of people will be "on the move" and very unwelcome
in the neighboring countries. Here in the US , some people complain mightily about the immigrants we have or will have.. Imagine 10 million within a few months.. the poorest of the poor..many of whom cannot read or write or support themselves.. This is what's facing Asia, Europe & Africa..
If we think the pressure on resources is bad NOW, just wait until there are roving bands of refugees..hungry pissed off refugees, wandering the planet..
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:08 AM
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9. one can only hope, this is one of the first places to disappear
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:22 AM
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2. The acceleration of the affects of global warming are apparent all around 'US'........
and still NOTHING of substance is being done to curb or reduce the threat.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:28 AM
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3. Hmmm ...
"That means that this one glacier puts enough fresh water into the sea in one year to provide drinking water for a city the size of London for a year."

... wait 'til Halliburton et al read about THIS
There's profit to be made in that thar ice water! :evilfrown:


:spank:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:42 PM
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11. The sad thing is, I bet Halliburton and the like are already getting ready for that.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:00 AM
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5. Environmental Positive Feedback Loops: God's way of extincting species that are too stupid
and shortsighted.

The rates of all climactic changes seem to be increasing rapidly, further corroborating the Positive Feedback Loop idea.

It does indeed appear that anyone 40 or younger will live to see the beginning of the very very bad.

And of course, if the Bushies are still in control, when the oil runs out and the money is worthelss, the Slave Labr Camps and Neighborhood spies will be more of an immediate to danger to anyone on ground high enough to be spared th effects of these coming enivro-disasters.

Because I am convinced that the Bushies have a plan, a Final Soultiuon, if you will, to the Liberal Problem that kicks in with the next great calamity (or trhe one after that at most, in that case the next time like the first time the Busheis 9/11'd us, will be used to further cement the legal tranisiton to the New Nazism...in the event of an emergency only, of course).

With their Mighty Wurlitzer, so like the Nazis' Mighty Wurlitzer, they will cry out to the tired, dowtrodden, hungry and broke.

You know what the Bushies will cry out...we've heard it before, "It is all the fault of the Liberals. They must have all of their power andtheir citizenship removed so they cannot further endanger the State with their constant lying andtheir desire to take over the world."

And it will work. It always works.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:23 AM
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6. "... anyone 40 or younger will live to see the beginning of the very very bad."
It's been several months & I don't recall who posted it, but one DUer told of how his neighbors, who were in their 70s, commented that they were probably exiting this planet just in time.

My husband & I recently discussed that what we imagined we might see at the end of our lives (25-30 years) we will probably start seeing in 10 years.

:cry:

On that happy note, I have about a bushel of tomatoes that need picking.


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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:03 AM
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8. Seldom before have the young envied the old their age
We are entering a period in which it becomes much more commonplace.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:45 PM
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12. One of the rare funny Dennis Miller jokes from decades ago...
Is when he talks about the elderly and how when they're close to dying they give you that "good fucking luck" look.

Even more noticeable now than it was then, and for good reason.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:03 PM
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13. God's way of extincting species....
....that are too stupid and shortsighted.

That's the way I see it too. Well, without the god part.



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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:20 PM
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10. The Ilulissat Glacier, a Wonder of the World Melting Away

Icebergs floating near the Ilulissat glacier.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0822-06.htm



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