Can we just get this out in the open please????

The Democratic congress who is supposed to uphold our values for us wont impeach Bush because:
he has been spying on them for 7 years and has so much dirt on everyone that they would all be destroyed if they went against him, because the repubs would expose everything. Its the only thing that makes sense!!!!!!!!

...the Congressional Dems have their investments in most of the same places the Repugs do, and they wouldn't dare vote against their retirement funds.

I was being naive.

Pays to cover all the bases one can cover.

:rofl:

Not only is it an incredibly strange non sequitur, it's also incorrect.

Logical scenarios exist...

harder even to get excited about elections.

....persons of interest for the BFEE.



THINK about how these people work!

Some of the stuff Duers write about bushco is as loony as what the freepers write about the Clintons.

I can easily imagine BushCo tapping phones and bugging offices of Democratic leaders to gather 'dirt' on them.

I can just as easily see those same Democratic leaders dismissing it as conspiracy-nut talk, even as the actual bugs are recording merrily away.

I put nothing, including murder, past these people. Nothing at all.

As a Congressperson, the fact that these mobsters had spent so much time focusing on my childrens lives would terrify me. I hate to admit it but I would be scared. Those that know me consider me to be a strong person, but that would scare the crap out of me.

That is why what they did is ILLEGAL... psychological blackmail is a CRIME. Stalking is a CRIME.


If these mobsters were to show you records of everything your kids had done for 3-4 months it would scare the crap out of you!

They are common criminals in uncommon positions of power.

the only reason I do is because I owe it to my kids to give them a free country. So imagine, being a congressperson, with everything exposed....

they are afraid the voting public will punish them as what happened when the repukes impeached President Clinton. If they were impeaching Bush for sex, that would be the case but Bush's situation is different.

they wont be punished!

show a majority in favor of impeachng Bush.

Live Vote
Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 531744 responses

Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
89%

No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
4.2%

No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
5.3%

I don't know.
1.9%

Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.
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Clu (162 posts) Sat Sep-08-07 09:20 PM
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MSNBC impeach bush poll is at 89% with 520k votes
The poll is still open too. How much further can the pendulum swing?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/?polls=is_open

triangulate away!

I love the poll too! Even if it isn't scientific!

:hi:

an internet poll is not a real poll.

I just copied another post. Yeah it says it's not a scientific poll, but it's still great to see....

:hi:

Not scientific? That's putting it mildly. Try looking up some real polls on impeachment.

And even the ones that "get press," which show a bit less than a majority include a minimum of 20% of self-identified Dems "as opposing." But this is explainable by those who a following their failing DC leadership.

That cohort would reverse immediately if impeachment were "allowed" from above.

That's probably also true of the minority of independents (45ish%) who currently oppose.

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of the "many" polls you say show a majority of americans supporting impeaching Bush?

Not that the question gets asked flat out often (wonder why that is?), but even the recent poll that did ask it flat out had impeaching cheney (the "real" honcho) at 54%. The bushkid number was only 45, but as I said that included 31% of Dems opposed or undecided in reaction to pushback from the DC "leaders."

But even before the election, a majority (51%) wanted impeachment as a "priority" for the new congress:


A Jan. Newsweek poll found that 59% "personally wish{ed} that George W. Bush's presidency was over."

And going as far back as Jan. '06, a Zogby poll for democrats.com showed a "Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for Wiretapping."

While Pelosi saying "off the table" has depressed the number responding in favor to some recent polls, that's more a reflection of what people think is likely to happen than whether or not they support impeaching.

But even if the public really didn't support it, that would be no excuse for dereliction of constitutional duty -- for acting as the regime's firewall. It's not a valid reason not to impeach, but just another rationalization for inaction.

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neither poll shows a majority of americans supporting impeachment.

I think your response speaks for itself, in a way.

It's just that since 4 polls were cited it's a bit unclear which "neither" you are abnegating.

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...it seems to me they got everything they wanted eventually: they got a president sElected and all three branches of the governemnt all to themselves for 6 years after impeaching Clinton for a blow job. The media adored every move they made while they did absolutely nothing to stop the impeachable offenses of this administration, starting with illegal wire tapping to a disastrous war. their friends made billions off the taxpayers ...I am wondering why impeachment is such a bad idea other than the Dems have some fear. All I can think of is plane crashes such as the one that killed Mel Carnahan and almost entirely all of the Wellstone family (and remember Wellstone was also almost killed while touring Columbia after questioning Negroponte so closely for his UN appointment around Negropote's participation in the South American carnage in El Salvador, Guatamala and Nicaragua). the Bu$h crime family have a long history of killing others that try to thwart their insatiable greed.

I don't think Repigs lost a damn thing, and though I would say they had to cheat to get this president into office by tilting the vote and getting the SCOTUS buddies to install him, other than that and perhaps including that, their power grab was a stunning proof impeachment, even for something as insignificant as a blow job, it looks to me impeachment did well for them.



Cat In Seattle

and sane political mavens believe the same thing.

if you have kids you are VULNERABLE.

even lower than Cheney's or Bush*'s? :shrug: Is it because they are too damn Liberal?

what have they got? william jefferson from louisiana and that's it, and that's cheating some nigerians playing the nigerian scam back at 'em, we can all identify with that, can't we?

meanwhile on the GOP side we have diaper sex and screwing in the men's rooms, and that's just the senators!

what they ate, where they slept.......


very scary psychological torture.

You've presented exactly NO evidence for your speculation, and yet you assert it as if it's fact. bah.

and if that doesn't work, they have this anthrax, or they can make our airplanes fall out of the sky:



and now he has the ultimate trump card: If the Democrats don't let him have is way he can declare martial law. Game over.

They don't want that.

I've been thinking that for some time now. :yourock:

if they sacrifice the Constitution to protect their personal ambitions, then I don't want them in office.

but who will do it? :shrug:

That could be what the psychological deterrent is.

ie: they have given you proof of months of surveillance on your children.....

My family fought in the Revolutionary War, but threats against my children from The BFEE would scare the SH*T out of me.


The BFEE has been monitoring your children for months - at least.......


Think about it.


They should group together and expose the blackmail.....but whose kids get offed before WE can stop the BFEE?

So the concept of sacrifice shouldn't be below congress.

If you're suggesting the BFEE would use violence against Americans, then why would the threat be personal? Why wouldn't it be another (state-sponsored) terrorist attack in a major city?

That's what I suspect they're holding over Congress (the NUCLEAR OPTION was what, exactly??), and they don't need surveillance to carry it out.

those each one of those deaths in Iraq is someone else's child. This isn't just evil, it is pure evil. Sacrifice someone else's child to protect your own.

Anyone who allows threats or blackmail to interfere with their congressional duties should resign. Personally, I don't believe fear or threats is the reason for inaction. DLC is an organization which enables neocons, and far too many congressmen are taking their marching orders from DLC.

Your fixation on one issue--impeachment--may have clouded your thinking. The Democrats in Congress are demonstrably NOT afraid:

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

This is all the more impressive, since we don't have a commanding majority in either house.

Your fixation on resultless, "safe" congressional votes may have "beltway-bubbled" your thinking. The Democrats in Congress are demonstrably IMPOTENT, unless and until they impeach.

Successful "opposition" is not measured by the other side's success/failure level or even "party unity" (particularly on masturbatory activities). It is measured by how much actual power is exerted relative to that which exists. The belly-button lint you toss out impresses no one -- certainly not the public/electorate -- and makes not a peep for history.

The ONLY actual, substantive power the DC Dems have -- in the face of filibuster, veto, and Rule By Signing Statement -- is impeachment. It may prove to merely be a power to object (non-impeachment in the House), to formally accuse (non-conviction in the Senate), or ultimately to remove the war criminals and right the ship of state.

But it remains the only measure of "successful opposition."

Failure to impeach is complicity -- approval -- exoneration of the regime. That is the message of their inaction. It has its own consequences -- far worse than impeachment (win or lose). It is their current "opposition score."

They continue it at our party's and nation's peril.

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We can start with Larry Craig and go on to Ted Stevens and David Vitter...ya don't think Rove had the goods on these guys and would have hesitated to use dirty tricks or intimidation to keep them in line? How many others does he or others have dirt on and how the crime and blood on their hands keep them in line when this regime cracks the whip. It's enough to prevent bills from moving forward in the Senate...not just impeachment or Iraq, but also prsepcription drug reform, tuition relief and dozens of other bills that have already passed out of the house and there's not enough votes in the Senate to over-ride a veto.

Behind the Frist and DeLay curtains, years of unabashed Repugnican corruption occured and now the only protection these rats have is from the Executive. Now whose got the real dirt? Think about it.

I hate the fabrication of "certainties" that are snatched out of thin air. In other words: you're just making stuff up. Could it be true?
Yes, but it's about as likely as Ron Paul winning the Presidency.

I posit that the Congress won't impeach because they're afraid that the electorate will turn against them in 2008.

Occam's razor: A nifty tool!

Or put another way; Why Does "Our Side" Get to Benefit From Ongoing Torture?

The DC Dems are fairly clear about refusing to abide by their oaths of office for political gain in 2008. Sure, that "conventional DC wisdom" is flat wrong, like virtually all conventional wisdom for years now. And they still mumble some of their other rationalizations for inaction, but it is understood what the "real reason" is.

This is simply corrupt.

They are refusing to do their duty in exchange for an "in kind" campaign contribution of sorts. And since it is sanctioned at the highest party level it is a "culture of corruption" no different than the one they've been accusing the R's about. It's just "business as usual" and "both sides are the same."

Sorry, but that's the "optics" of failure to impeach. That's the message being sent to the public/electorate. And that's a sure recipe for more stolen elections.

The message to the world, to history, to our children -- that of toleration, tacit aproval, of war crimes -- is far more shameful.

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For some reason that slogan did not win Carvil's bumper sticker contest.

...that they would like to have the same unconstitutional powers as G.W. Bush for themselves?

An evidence-free assertion that Democrats are as criminal as Republicans could not possibly be deliberate disinformation.

If it were a sex scandal they would do it but its not, its about taking away our rights and keeping the big machine rolling towards the big payoff. Most are involved, they just play games so we think they dislike each other and each side looks like it supports its people. Impeachment would open up a can of worms that would involve many of them in some way. They have already won though, we need a candidate to speak up against the raping of the constitution but theres only one doing that,Kucinich. The media has done its part and we the American people have given up on democracy and have fell into their trap. People died for us to have rights and we do nothing to keep them. Instead of taking a guy standing up for the people and doing everything in our power to get him elected, we give in to the corrupt system and declare him unelectable and ignore him so we can then fight each other over the next best candidate. Where is that same fight for democracy that I see in the debating posts over Clinton and Obama? We the people are to blame for what is happening to our country, not the corrupt politicians WE ELECT to do it!

The media hides Kucinich away as much as possible for a reason folks and they promote Clinton for a reason too!

Wake up America before its too late!

Its not Democrats that are perverts who walk around trying to solicit strange sex in public places.