Why the hell doesn't Rove hire Spielberg or somebody

to create those fake Osama tapes? Bet Spielberg could turn out a really convincing bearded troglodyte.

Or maybe the Blair Witch Project people to get some amateur versimilitude.

would like to believe that

And indeed there are people out there who would love to hurt you, and badly

No, not everything going bad in the world is a Karl Rove Production. He is NOT that type of a superman

Now it might be a better investment of your time to learn exactly who this guy is. He is what experts call Blowback, and he's been around since oh the 1980s when we trained and funded him.

If you actually took the time to learn what are his complaints (and just how much Bush has already surrendered to his demands), you may understand just how dangerous they can be

Now here are the two relevant questions

Why are they still reaching our shores

Didn't this REPUBLICAN President promise to get him dead or alive

And for a bonus point

Why are they getting released on this date? (Most muricans will not know the answer, my obligation is to give it to you. No, not becuase of an evil plot by Karl Rove. Rather, the Muslim Brotherhood and now AQ are heavily into aniversaries as well)

1. Big Bidness
2. Fundamentalist zealots of all stripes
3. Those who don't want to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

edited to include another group

4. Opportunistic American polticians

they are still around because we failed to catch them at Tora Bora. They are not good for bidness, they were believed to be a tool to go into Iraq... but let me repeat this, they are not good for bidness, unless your bidness is specifically the National Security State and in that sense a very narrow band of it.

They are in an area of the world where you need HUMINT to find out where he is... all our vaunted satellite technology does crap in this kind of a situation... and no, our agents cannot pass as Pakistanis from Karachi, let alone that area of the world

As to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, a funny thing happened on the way to the forum... it was NOT an issue for AQ until two years ago... and at that, it is an issue of convenience... and I doubt one they take too seriously quite frankly.

As to religious zealots of all stripes, yep they are... but they are not helpful to others either.

petroleum, weapons, and security businesses and all of their suppliers are thriving right now largely due to the constant fomenting of fear based on this group. As for human intelligence, you aren't going to get it when you're only interaction is to kill or engage in bellicose posturing. Third, the I-P conflict fuels much discontent among those peoples caught up in this disaster--causative or not, it is a convenient excuse all too readily pounced upon by those who refuse to resolve that conflict. And finally, religious zealots exist on all sides in this mess, many on our own shores.

a narrow band of people involved in the national security state is making money, but it is not good for the economy or business in the long run... I hope this is clear.. or it will be soon.

As to human intelligence... there are many complex reasons why we don't have it... chiefly, I don't think a narrow band of those folks (see above) want it. We have been able to get HUMINT across the world duirng the worst of crisis, except now.

Third: read again, insofar as Al Qaida was concered the A-I conflict did NOT, figure anywhere in the list of priorities, Hell, that was one reason why many Palestinians, until recently, had problems with AQ, The main focus was to get the American Crusaders off the land of the two mosques, aka Saudi Arabia... which Junior agreed to... something bout not negotiating with terrorists was lost in the translation... and no I am not advocating we stay in the ME, but the way it was done... Bush surrendered.

Fourth, we have always had religious fanatics... here, and abroad... and no they don't like each other nor will they work with each other

But the final point here is.. AQ is in many ways classic blowback and I am getting tired of seeing how many on this site are trying to convince themselves at to how much they are a Karl Rove Production

The only Kar Rove here is that the ass hole will use anything to advance their political goals and so far our side seems incapable of disarming the propaganda war

And the questions I asked are the way to do it with Joe Sixpack... aka Rove's target... or whoever is running the office now.

to be expertly right. I think that this is much AQ propaganda campaign is geared to have effects more pervasive and multifaceted than you anticipated and those who must respond drag their feet for many reasons.

but whatever.

a substitute pretending, ok, but not bin laden.

No matter what anybody says, this tape is real...

And Al Qaida is real?

Part of the TA done on this things is voice. You know how hard it is to fake someobdy else's voice? (How about impossible, voice is as good as a fingerprint)

and you know what the Bush Administratin LET IT HAPPEN

It is actually worst than having a group of people in the US do this

Oh and the size of the conspiracy...

If they let it happen it stays with oh fifty people tops

If they do it themselves, you have over 10, 000 people involved, you know how hard it is to control fifty people? 10, 000 you would have had a leak by now

But we have plenty of circumstancial evidence, starting with the hand over, that they LET IT HAPPEN

They knew it was comming and it was a good thing in their eyes to push the agenda

No one doubts that Bush promised to get OBL and has failed.

No one doubts that the terrorist threat continues to exist thanks in part to Bush and his failed policies (although threats of this type have always existed and probably always will).

That does not mean these tapes are real.

Why do people doubt their authenticity?

TIMING:

Their "release" is always timed to meet the propaganda needs of the Republicans. That is just to convenient to be true to life.

QUALITY:

The quality of the films is not consistent with what the Bushies tell us about the possible locations of OBL. If he is hanging out in the Pakistan hills, then how come these films are so obviously edited and at different times? Technical experts on film and editing have cast doubt on the authenticity of the videos for technical reasons.

APPEARANCE:

OBL does not look like the same person in all the films. Looks like some actor or other is playing his part.

SUBSTANCE:

I have not read the text of this one, but the language sounds more like something written by a Republican hoping to make OBL sound like a Democrat rather than by a strict Muslim. I'm not going to say here what kind of language I would expect a Muslim steeped in Koranic literature and learning to use, but these tapes aren't it, not by a long shot. Not unless they have been drastically edited. And if they have been edited to the form they are now in, they are not authentic.

Also, the political views are again, too conveniently consistent with what Republican operatives would want OBL to say. Only unbelievably naive, American fundies would think that OBL's opinions align that closely with just what the Republicans would wish.

There is a chance the tapes are authentic, but I would say that there is a greater chance they are not.

As I said, that does not mean that the terrorist threat is any less real. To the contrary, it may easily make it more menacing. The terrorist that doesn't communicate is likely to be more dangerous than the one that does. OBL (assuming he is still alive) is an equal party threat. He attacked Americans under both Democratic and Republican administrations. He is a religious fanatic. I seriously doubt that he takes sides on some of the issues discussed in his videos. Those videos are probably made by Americans. They are Americacentristic in terms of their values and political and world views. If they were made by a Muslim, they would go on and on about all kinds of weird ideas of God and rituals that we do not understand.

and desperately seeking another 15 minutes of fame.

In fact, most of the Hollywood talent is liberal. They're pretty much limited to Dennis Miller playing with imovie.

had Osama make a diatribe about the failure of Democrats and Barbara Streisand to protect gay marriage and install socialized medicine while he was at it. The thing reads like a parody of what South Park or Limbaugh would have stereotypical liberals say.

i-phone to prove it was recent

advertising and PR is what politics is all about..perception creating reality and all. The problem is the professionals produce what the client demands.