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The Dems and "Yes"
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The Dems and "Yes"
09 Sep 2007 02:27 pm

David Ignatius has the most www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702250.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 I've read today. Ignatius has long been a sane skeptic of the long-term possibilities of the surge, for all the usual reasons. And you'd think he'd be claiming vindication. The surge's fundamental goal - national political reunification - has failed rather dramatically. On those grounds - the grounds the president himself set last January - the case for withdrawal is stronger than ever, it seems to me. But the case against withdrawal on exactly those grounds is also strong - that we will create a regional implosion, genocide and even worse chaos than the last four years have unleashed. (I'd bite that bullet anyway, if I had to, because the idea of committing over 100,000 troops to an endless occupation that is recruiting Jihadists and getting nowhere may well be worse than trying to leverage regional meltdown for our own advantage. Yes, I'm not sure that a wider Sunni-Shiite war, however unpredictable, is against the West's interests.)

But Ignatius notices the other major shift, and one that predated the surge but has been tactically aided by it. That is the Anbar Sunni Arab move against al Qaeda. This is indeed a big deal, because finding Arab Muslims willing to fight back against the Qaeda nutjobs is the key to winning the longer war. What David is saying is that the Democrats can indeed champion a version of this strategy. It would be honestly summarized thus: give up on a national Iraq solution; continue to acquiesce in ethnic cleansing and de facto partition; support each entity as long as they foreswear warring on one another; and draw down troops but keep enough to help the Sunnis keep al Qaeda on the run, and Kurdistan intact. This isn't far from the arguments of Peter Galbraith or Joe Biden. If the Dems can reframe the debate in this fashion, and seek to lead on Iraq in this positive light, they can do a service for the country.

I can certainly see the logic of, say, a five-year commitment for those limited purposes:

facilitating local stability and partition, leveraging Sunni hostility to al Qaeda, while releasing more troops for desperately needed priorities elsewhere.

The Obama Democrats have, it seems to me, been right about this war up till now. But changing dynamics can mean changing emphases and tactics. Saying "yes" to the right things now does not mean approving or legitimizing Bush's negligence and idiocy thus far. It means being responsible enough to save the country and the world from the worst consequences of his folly. Let's just say I think this is an argument worth exploring and debating further. David is thinking hard, pursuing the intimations of the current crisis. The Democrats and sane Republicans need to be thinking along the same lines. Americans know they haven't won; but they don't want an ignominious defeat either. Defining victory down is the only responsible way forward. It should take precedence over point-scoring.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/09/the-dems-and-ye.html#more


I thought this was kind of interesting. Thoughts?

edit to add - Murtha has been saying since 2005 that the Iraqis would take care of Al Queda and he has been shown to be right. I wish the Dems in Congress would point out that they actually thought this would happen.

December 2005:
"MURTHA: Well, I used to believe that, but I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Iran is not going to have near the influence they hope they will. They fought Iran for eight years, so I'm convinced the Iraqi people, if we redeploy as I've suggested, will take care of the terrorists, which are less than 7 percent of the foreign fighters -- or, the insurgency, and less than 3 percent of the insurgency are al Qaeda -- and they'll throw them out. And I don't think they'll pay as close attention to Iran as I used to think."


Feb 2007:
"Murtha: Iraqis will "get rid of" al Qaeda if U.S. withdraws
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congressman John Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, said Monday that the Iraqis will "get rid of" al Qaeda if the U.S. military withdraws from Iraq.

"The minute we're gone they will take care of al Qaeda by themselves," Murtha said in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "Al Qaeda will not even be a factor in Iraq once the United States is gone."

"I'll tell you, will rue the day when the United States get out of there because the Iraqis know who they are and they'll get rid of them," he said. "I'm absolutely convinced. They know the top tribes they know the geography, the Iraqis know who the al Qaeda are. It's just that we, obviously, provide the incentive to recruit al Qaeda. Iran wants us in there, and al Qaeda wants us in there."

Murtha was responding to Australian Prime Minister John Howard, who said Sunday that a timeline for troop withdrawal would be a "victory for the terrorists" in Iraq."

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/02/murtha-iraqis-will-get-rid-of-al-qaeda.html
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