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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:16 AM
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Evidence that the US is the cause of violence in Iraq.
It is from the BBC/ABC poll of Iraqis published yesterday, I think. Here is the "smoking gun" for those who are willing to see it:

57% of Iraqis say that it is acceptable to kill US soldiers (93% of Sunnis think so).

93% of all Iraqis think that it is unacceptable to kill Iraqi soldiers.

There it is in fairly plain language. If the US were not in Iraq and with 93% of the people saying that they would not accept the killing of their own soldiers, why do we hold that "chaos" and a "bloodbath" would ensue? They wouldn't. The violence is caused by the presence of US soldiers in Iraq. If the US would pull out, things would begin to settle down. The Iraqis are an old, civilized people, they can manage their own affairs. They are adults, they are educated, and they love their country.

93%...that is a big, big number...
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:19 AM
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1. It's twice as much as support for bush has ever been among Americans.
This whole war is based on lies.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:20 AM
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2. You would have to tell Bush that it is greater than 100%
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:28 AM
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3. 100% wouldn't matter to Bush & the neo-con agenda
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 08:28 AM by groovedaddy
Of the three real reasons for going into Iraq, only 2 really matter to bush & neocons - Oil & strategic location (troops will never leave). The "spreading democracy" part is nothing more than window dressing in an attempt to make the other 2 goals more acceptable.
If the democracy part were important, ascertaining the will of the Iraq people in regard to the U.S. military presence in THEIR country, would be critical.
The overwhelming majority do not want the U.S. military in their country.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:32 AM
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5. Polls and people are irrelevant to Bushinc.
What's given to the public in the form of hearings,
press conferences, or visits to other countries is
simply pabulum in the form of tradition. It's all
meaningless.

What counts is the agenda, the policies, the executive
orders, laws, and decisions.

I mean, look at what's happening to CHIP now. Bush
just made an order imposing restrictions on the SCHIP
program and making states make it harder for people
to enroll their kids.

Yeah, some members of Congress are whining about it
and talking the talk.

But is anyone actually doing anything about it?
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:42 AM
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6. There are a few in Congress who are trying - Kucinich & others
but they've failed to gain traction yet.

It may have to happen at the polls, though one would think that the 2006 elections was enough of a message. Maybe they're looking at what happened with Lieberman - trounced in the primary but wins the general. Clearly, the democratic base thinks differently than voters at large. If Iraq is still hot this time next year - watch out!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:29 AM
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4. I honestly don't see how we are ever going to get out of this mess
Some president in the future is going to have to 'admit defeat' which Murkins don't like. We've lost. We will never successfully occupy Iraq. Its not going to happen, not even in a neo-con's dream anymore.

Who is going to be a big enough president to say: "You know what? George Bush, his neo-con idiots and enough complicit Congresscritters royally screwed up Iraq and our presence there is only making things worse. This is not our country. This country belongs to the Iraqis and they are going to have to figure out how to make it a country again after we destroyed it. We're outta here."
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