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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:37 PM Original message |
No fucking way, black woman gets kidnapped, tortured, is almost killed... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Was race the motivating factor? |
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CC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. According to the suspects |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Huh. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. The story goes that they literally told her that they did it because she was black. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Has the prosecutor offered an explanation? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Not that I know of. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. yes, the victim was an ex of one of the perps |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Here: |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. That would be hard to determine |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I'm sure there were several components |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is just happening on CNN Headline News... |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. You're kidding?! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No, I'm not. Isn't this fucking outrageous, and this isn't local either... |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. The victim had a relationship with one of the kidnappers - had him arrested in July |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Maybe, I do remember something about her hanging around... |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. But it looks like this group of sick fucks did it to get back at her for what she did... |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. "sick fucks" |
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RavensChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Absolutely! |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. Any word on why exactly yet? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Not really, because there were many many unrelated people involved in this... |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. I've not been able to find much more on this |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. In our two party dysfunctional "system", one of those parties is powered |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. No, sfexpat2000, it's not surprising in a way... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. .. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
19. How about this? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. actually, later reports contradicted most of those claims |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. You're right, but that |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. The state can still charge her under West Virginia hate crime laws |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
22. Doing so might have hurt more than helped. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Uh, are you sure? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Yes, but not the way you're thinking of. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
25. reminds me of this story... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Boy am I naive! I didn't think this type of BLATANT discrimination |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. kind of makes me wonder... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Sorry but that ideology that crimes motivated purely on hatred |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
27. Personally I Don't Care If It's A Hate Crime Or Not. I Just Want Them To Spend Life In Prison. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. my bet: they're dead |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. One of them already served a whooping 5 years for murder |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. she served 5 years for manslaughter |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
28. Funny, this wasn't a hate crime. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Were they targeted specifically because they were white? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. It's also being alleged, as I understand it |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
29. What will this mean in terms of sentencing? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Federal crimes usually have more severe punishments. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
37. Hate crime requires race to be the motivation. And you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
38. Because a "hate crime" conviction carries a sentence of 10 yrs. but a state |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. (shrug) White folks can't STAND the existence of hate crimes. No news there. |
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